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    ...Influenza (of all types) becomes a real danger, however, when the virus mutates to a form easily transmitted between humans without any animal vector. Lately, there are signs this may be happening, and one vector facilitating human-to-human spread of the virus is as unexpected as it is common: poultry feather removal machines.

    Poultry feather removal machines are commonly used to pluck freshly slaughtered chickens, ducks and geese at China's urban live poultry markets. To prepare birds for customers, market sellers spin them in machines into which hot water is added. The tubs then spin at high speeds, quickly and efficiently plucking the feathers. But the trouble is that droplets of steam and spray emanating from the machines could carry H7N9 bird flu viruses directly into the lungs of sellers, customers, and anyone else in the area. "If there is a virus, it can be easily inhaled this way," explained Feng Zijian, director of the emergency response center of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, in a recent briefing with Chinese reporters.

    "This is what we suspect to be a major environmental exposure that causes human infections." Once inhaled into the lungs of one human, a simple cough, sneeze or sigh could release the virus into society time and time again, far from the nearest infected chicken.

    Large poultry feather removal machines are mainly employed by commercial poultry producers in Western countries, whereas in China, much smaller machines are a common feature at the live poultry markets where the majority of Chinese consumers buy their poultry. Should these machines be positively identified as an influenza transmission vector, the resulting disruption to China's food distribution system would be massive, to say the least.

    For a photo of the machine, see:
    http://inventorspot.com/files/images...ist_custom.jpg.

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    Re: Feather removal machines as a vector??

    This thought occurred to me a while ago. We hand pluck when we butcher a chicken at our small farm. One still has to dunk the carcass in hot water to loosen the feathers, so water is involved, but it isn't aerosolized as in the machines. I have always wondered about those plucking machines aerosolizing whatnot all over. I didn't know they used those in China, but, yes, I would think that those machines would cause a good deal of aerosol.

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    • #3
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      I found a video of a girl de-feathering live francolins by hand for customers. The birds are flapping their wings while she continues to strip them of their skin, feathers, heads, etc. As you can see, there is another woman selling what appears to be veggies right next to her, with feathers and blood littering the area between them. These wet markets must be an absolute hotbed of a large variety of nasties.

      I must say I'm appalled at the thought of skinning things alive; she did smash one bird's head on the cement to stun it.

      With sensitivities in mind, I won't post the link to the actual video but a search can quickly find it. Here is a screen cap from it.

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      I see in Pathfinder's post that they found H7N9 in quail; I wonder if they de-feather those in the same manner.

      The source of human infection is still under investigation, but the avian influenza A(H7N9) virus has been isolated from healthy ducks, pigeons, chickens, and quail in live bird markets in Shanghai and neighboring provinces.
      The salvage of human life ought to be placed above barter and exchange ~ Louis Harris, 1918

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      • #4
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        During the early phases of H5N1, girls plucking feathers from ?swans or geese in Azerbaijan for pillows, I think, became ill. See:

        Persistence of Avian Influenza Virus (H5N1) in Feathers Detached from Bodies of Infected Domestic Ducks

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        • #5
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          I remember that; we had good discussion on it if I remember correctly.

          From the ProMed article Treyfish linked:

          "[If the described (plausible) theory is valid, infection rates among the personnel working with feather removal machines in the affected territories in eastern China should be significantly higher than among other population groups. Is this, indeed, the case? It will also be interesting to note whether the birds treated in the described machines have been tested and found ante-mortem to be infected. - Mod.AS]"

          Is there some type of bird that the elderly keep as pets, that's raised on farms and sold as food that they haven't checked out yet?
          The salvage of human life ought to be placed above barter and exchange ~ Louis Harris, 1918

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          • #6
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            Doing that to an animal while it is alive is cruelty. Awful. I have also read that in some regions, boiling fertile eggs right before the chick hatches is a delicacy.

            Anyway, all this messing butchering is unnecessary. Chickens seem to get extremely calm when hanging upside down and the deed can be done very quickly with no flapping and ruckus. Then they should be dunked in hot water less than 180 degrees for just a minute or two, swished thru, and the feathers then come out easily, but YES, there would be aerosolizing even with the calmest hand plucking.

            The machines are terrible. The dead chicken is bouncing all over and I believe they also spray out hot water. I'm not sure on that tho. It's almost like an open washing machine that just tosses the chicken all over. Rubber fingers defeather it.

            Some people have taken to just skinning chickens to avoid this all together, and we may look at that method. We don't kill that many chickens because we mainly have a laying flock, but we have butchered extra roosters and we will have to do in our old hens. We were thinking of raising some meat birds, but, I will have to think about that yet.

            Butchering meat next to a veggie stand....I really can't imagine that. Wow.

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            • #7
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              One more thing on the feathers. CAFOs dispose of feathers in different manners, but I believe Hopkins did a study on feathers they got from a waste area of some type, from near a CAFO to see what drugs the chickens were being fed.

              Among them were Prozac, and illegal antibiotics. I don't know if they found Tamiflu.

              I am wondering how many chicken feathers end up spread with manure over fields adjacent to the chicken CAFOs.

              I also have grave concerns over the new practice of spaying irrigating with manure sludge. It's occurring near me, and it makes me sick to think of what they are aerosolizing for people to breathe.

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              • #8
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                So if you all have this great knowledge, then why is it not being looked at by all the withstanding agencies???? Do they not want to do this because it would be an economy issue? That has never crossed their minds?

                There is something that someone knows and it will come out eventually!

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                • #9
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                  I am sure the economy is a prime consideration.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Feather removal machines as a vector??

                    Here is a summary of the Hopkins study.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Feather removal machines as a vector??

                      put the machine in a plastic envelope
                      store the feathers in closed bags
                      disinfect
                      kill the animals before defeathering

                      buy canned chickens instead


                      if the machines were a vector, they should have found it.
                      From cases visiting the same market,same places where the machines are
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                      • #12
                        Re: Feather removal machines as a vector??

                        Originally posted by AnnaLisa View Post
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                        Some people have taken to just skinning chickens to avoid this all together, ...........
                        I did that years ago - a nearby farm with laying hens was buying all new stock and offered neighbors the "retired" hens. I carefully skinned the bird, deboned the meat, then canned the results - the old tough birds were just fine and it wasn't all that messy.

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                        "The next major advancement in the health of American people will be determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself"-- John Knowles, Former President of the Rockefeller Foundation

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                        • #13
                          Re: Feather removal machines as a vector??

                          Originally posted by mixin View Post
                          .......Is there some type of bird that the elderly keep as pets, that's raised on farms and sold as food that they haven't checked out yet?
                          I wonder if the old men pluck feathers for something like fishing lures??? or pillows, or ??? I recall a Qi Gong video where one of the old masters did "art" Qi Gong - using a large feather "pen" for his ink. Perhaps people doing traditional writing with the feather pen are more likely to get infected.

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                          "The next major advancement in the health of American people will be determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself"-- John Knowles, Former President of the Rockefeller Foundation

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                          • #14
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                            I have been told of a previous scam involving human hair being turned in to "fake soya sauce". It took 2 seconds to find this use for the protein in bird feathers -


                            Do not fake soy sauce, bean dregs even made ​​of bird feathers because the price is away, for you and your family's health, buy food, turn it over to take a look at the list of ingredients on the back of it.
                            Source:http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...i%26hl%3Den-gb

                            Soy sauce taste the fundamental amino acids. If you do not go through a long period of fermentation, soy protein with hydrochloric acid decomposition method is readily available amino acids. Defatted soybean processing using extra virgin oil on it. And even some manufacturers in accordance with this principle is made of protein and amino acids, amino acids extracted from the bird's feathers. The amino acid thus obtained is the basis of manufacturing special sauce, it would lose the Original soy sauce flavor, fragrance, and color.

                            Source: http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...24%26bih%3D660
                            "The only security we have is our ability to adapt."

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                            • #15
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                              I know I'm going off topic with this; but this quote from the article that AnnaLisa linked to has me wondering how personal care products and caffeine could have gotten into chicken feathers.

                              researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Arizona State University analyzed commercially available feather meal samples, acquired from six U.S. states and China, for a suite of 59 pharmaceuticals and personal care products. All 12 samples tested had between 2 and 10 antibiotic residues. In addition to antimicrobials, 7 other personal care products, including the pain reliever acetaminophen (the active ingredient in Tylenol), the antihistamine diphenhydramine (the active ingredient in Benadryl) and the antidepressant fluoxetine (the active ingredient in Prozac), were detected.

                              Researchers also found caffeine in 10 of 12 feather meal samples. ?This study reveals yet another pathway of unwanted human exposure to a surprisingly broad spectrum of prescription and over-the-counter drugs,?
                              The salvage of human life ought to be placed above barter and exchange ~ Louis Harris, 1918

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