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  • #16
    Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

    Originally posted by gsgs View Post
    submitted H1N1 sequences increased a lot in 2007.

    Occasional resistance was reported earlier, but maybe the sequences
    weren't submitted. I'm not sure whether/(how much) we had H274Y earlier

    2006/2007 was a different genetical background.

    Something created this resistant strain in ~ early 2007

    Or maybe created a strain in which genetical background H274Y
    can survive and spread better than before - and then the mutation
    happened several times independently.
    Let's see .

    Do you have examples of Japanese/other different "clades" with and
    without H274Y ?

    I may go through that phylo-tree in the japan.pdf later too


    ---edit1----
    of course, drug usage having created the resistance is also a possibility,
    we haven't ruled this out yet. But not much evidence for this, except
    timing with increased Tamiflu-usage.
    There actually are three Brisbayne/59 branches in the US representing 3 independent intoductions onto the Brisbayne/59 backbone. In addition to the large branch and the Hawaiian branch, there is a Florida branch

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    • #17
      Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

      Commentary

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      • #18
        Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

        Originally posted by gsgs View Post
        submitted H1N1 sequences increased a lot in 2007.


        ---edit1----
        of course, drug usage having created the resistance is also a possibility,
        we haven't ruled this out yet. But not much evidence for this, except
        timing with increased Tamiflu-usage.
        The reason the influenza "experts" were "startled" was the lack of an association with Tamiflu usage. You have ZERO evidence to support the above "possibility" and have many comments from experts indicating that your "possibilty" is at odds with the facts.

        Please avoid speculation that is in clear conflict with the data. This story has been quite clear since Norway first reported the explosion of H274Y cases several months ago, and now the data from Japan clearly shows that your "possibility" has no merit, and although you may not have ruled out selection by Tamiflu, the influenza "experts" have.
        Last edited by sharon sanders; July 11, 2008, 03:01 PM. Reason: typo

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        • #19
          Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

          As noted in the commentary, the data from Japan has many examples of independent introductions of H274Y into multiple genetic backgrounds this season. This pattern, and associated lack of Tamifly usage, causes major problems for random mutations, and is easily explained by the homologous recombination described in the two recent papers in J Virology (no lab error required - or remotely suggested).

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          • #20
            Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

            Originally posted by gsgs View Post
            submitted H1N1 sequences increased a lot in 2007.

            ---edit1----
            of course, drug usage having created the resistance is also a possibility,
            we haven't ruled this out yet. But not much evidence for this, except
            timing with increased Tamiflu-usage.
            From Norway report

            Oseltamivir use:
            Generally, oseltamivir use before specimen collection in persons with resistant virus or in their prior contacts has been very uncommon. None of the 208 patients for which we have data both on resistance profile and antiviral use had received antivirals before sampling; 7 patients received
            antiviral treatment subsequent to sampling.


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            • #21
              Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

              Apparently we have humor-challenged members. Message removed.


              I do seem to remember reading reports that Norwegian nursing homes had been hit hard by seasonal influenza and that Tamiflu was being doled out like candy in an attempt to stop institutional epidemics.

              Maybe in the elderly, it's very easy to select for drug resistance when tamiflu is used and drug resistant recombination quasi-strains are in circulation within the susceptible (in this case, geriatric) cases. They have been identified as high risk patient group for spreading influenza in the community (as have infants/toddlers).

              However, tamiflu use in the latter age cohort was constrained by questions of correct dosing and toxicity (EU approved changes in dosing for young children, late 07).

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              • #22
                Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                submitted H1N1 sequences increased a lot in 2007.


                ---edit1----
                of course, drug usage having created the resistance is also a possibility,
                we haven't ruled this out yet. But not much evidence for this, except
                timing with increased Tamiflu-usage.
                From the Netherlands

                Oseltamivir use:
                For the sentinel patients data on oseltamivir use was available for all 41 patients sampled. None of the sentinel patients (41) or their household contacts (40) reported the use of oseltamivir in the two weeks prior to the date of specimen collection.
                For the non-sentinel patients, data on oseltamivir use was available for 15 patients (further data are currently being collected). None of the non-sentinel patients reported the use of oseltamivir in the two weeks prior to the date of specimen collection. Household contacts of one patient with an oseltamivir sensitive A(H1N1) virus had used oseltamivir in the two weeks prior to the date of specimen collection.

                http://www.who.int/csr/disease/influ...2008_06_25.pdf

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                • #23
                  Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                  Asking questions is one thing. Badgering is another.

                  I am asking that members do not antagonize each other either in tone, repeated questions, or actual words.


                  Thanks.

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                  • #24
                    Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                    Commentary at

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                    • #25
                      Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                      More trees with Tamiflu resistance (slides 8 and 9)

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                      • #26
                        Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                        More trees with Tamiflu resistance (slides 5 and 6)

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                        • #27
                          Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                          here the tables in text-format for computer-analysis
                          and better reading:




                          sequences from the japan.pdf NA-phylo-tree


                          Code:
                          resistant
                            non-resistant
                          ---------------------
                          Norway/1745/07
                          Norway/1747/07
                          Norway/1701/07
                          Norway/1731/07
                          Norway/1743/07
                          Norway/1736/07
                          Norway/1687/07
                          Arizona/03/07
                          New Jersey/16/07
                          England/557/07
                          New Jersey/15/07
                          Yokohama/77/08
                          Paris/0577/07
                          Yokohama/79/08
                          Yokohama/78/08
                          Paris/0644/07
                          Illinois/10/07
                            Ishikawa/419/08
                            South Dakota/06/07E
                            Hawaii/19/07E
                          Toshigi/39/08
                          Toshigi/34/08
                          Yamagata/68/08
                            Yamagata/35/08
                          Shimane/59/08
                            Shizuoka-C/9/08
                            Akita/8/08
                            Fukui/21/08
                            Kanagawa/17/08
                            Nepal/4715/07E
                            Washington/28/07
                          Tottori/29/08
                          Tottori/28/08
                            Yamagata/31/08
                            Hiroshima/22/08
                            Kawasaki/27/08
                            Johannesburg/67/07
                            Hawaii/20/07
                            Chiba/92/07
                            Brisbane/59/07E
                          Kobe/27/08
                          Aichi/76/08
                            Miyagi/23/08
                            Hawaii/31/07E
                          Hawaii/28/07
                          Hawaii/21/07
                          Gifu-C/17/08
                          Tottori/23/08
                          Tottori/21/08
                            Shimane/7/08
                            Yamaguchi/14/08
                          Gifu-C/38/08
                            Kyoto-C/1/08
                            Yamagata/144/08
                          Yokohama/30/08
                          Yokohama/34/08
                          Yokohama/31/08
                          Yokohama/35/08
                          Yokohama/22/08
                            Nagano/1041/08
                          Tochigi/8/08
                            Shimane/32/08
                            Niigata/66/08
                            Nagano/1074/08
                            Aomori/3/08
                            Kobe/6/08
                            Nagano/1089/08
                            Okinawa/6/08
                            Shizuoka/12/08
                            Hyogo/31/07
                            Texas/05/07
                            St.Petersburg/96/07E

                          looks as if the H274Y mutation happened and was spread and isolated multiple times



                          Table2 Oseltamivir-resistant viruses, Japan season 2007/8
                          -------------------------------------------------------

                          Code:
                          A/Yokohama/91,2007/11/30, Y,O5,05,M,Kindergarten,u
                          A/Tochigi/8  ,2008/01/15,HY,O5,04,M,Nursery,v
                          A/Gifu-C/17  ,2008/01/25, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,-
                          A/Tottori/29 ,2008/01/25, Y,uu,05,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Tottori/28 ,2008/01/26, Y,uu,05,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yokohama/22,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,10,M,school,-
                          A/Yokohama/30,2008/01/28, Y,00,12,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yokohama/31,2008/01/28, Y,00,13,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yokohama/34,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,08,F,school,v
                          A/Yokohama/35,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,09,M,school,v
                          A/Tottori/23 ,2008/01/29, Y,??,04,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Tottori,21 ,2008/01/30, Y,??,06,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Tochigi/34 ,2008/02/18, Y,00,01,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Tochigi/39 ,2008/02/18, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Aichi/76   ,2008/02/19, Y,Z5,08,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Shimane/59 ,2008/02/26, Y,00,14,F,Outpatient,v
                          A/Yokohama/77,2008/02/26, Y,00,23,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yokohama/78,2008/02/28, Y,00,50,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yokohama/79,2008/02/28, Y,00,52,M,Outpatient,u
                          A/Gifu-C/38  ,2008/03/07, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,v
                          A/Kobe/27    ,2008/03/11, Y,00,03,F,Outpatient,u
                          A/Yamagata/68,2008/03/11, Y,00,08,M,Outpatient,u
                          I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                          my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                          • #28
                            Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                            Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                            here the tables in text-format for computer-analysis
                            and better reading:




                            sequences from the japan.pdf NA-phylo-tree


                            Code:
                             
                            resistant
                              non-resistant
                            ---------------------
                            Norway/1745Y/07/NIMR
                            Norway/1747Y/07
                            Norway/1701Y/07
                            Norway/1731Y/07
                            Norway/1743Y/07
                            Norway/1736Y/07
                            Norway/1687Y/07
                            Arizona/03Y/07
                            New Jersey/16/07
                            England/557/07
                            New Jersey/15/07
                            Yokohama/77/08
                            Paris/0577/07
                            Yokohama/79/08
                            Yokohama/78/08
                            Paris/0644/07
                            Illinois/10/07
                              Ishikawa/419/08
                              South Dakota/06/07E
                              Hawaii/19/07E
                            Toshigi/39/08
                            Toshigi/34/08
                            Yamagata/68/08
                              Yamagata/35/08
                            Shimane/59/08
                              Shizuoka-C/9/08
                              Akita/8/08
                              Fukui/21/08
                              Kanagawa/17/08
                              Nepal/4715/07E
                              Washington/28/07
                            Tottori/29/08
                            Tottori/28/08
                              Yamagata/31/08
                              Hiroshima/22/08
                              Kawasaki/27/08
                              Johannesburg/67/07
                              Hawaii/20/07
                              Chiba/92/07
                              Brisbane/59/07E
                            Kobe/27/08
                            Aichi/76/08
                              Miyagi/23/08
                              Hawaii/31/07E
                            Hawaii/28/07
                            Hawaii/21/07
                            Gifu-C/17/08
                            Tottori/23/08
                            Tottori/21/08
                              Shimane/7/08
                              Yamaguchi/14/08
                            Gifu-C/38/08
                              Kyoto-C/1/08
                              Yamagata/144/08
                            Yokohama/30/08
                            Yokohama/34/08
                            Yokohama/31/08
                            Yokohama/35/08
                            Yokohama/22/08
                              Nagano/1041/08
                            Tochigi/8/08
                              Shimane/32/08
                              Niigata/66/08
                              Nagano/1074/08
                              Aomori/3/08
                              Kobe/6/08
                              Nagano/1089/08
                              Okinawa/6/08
                              Shizuoka/12/08
                              Hyogo/31/07
                              Texas/05/07
                              St.Petersburg/96/07E



                            Table2 Oseltamivir-resistant viruses, Japan season 2007/8
                            -------------------------------------------------------

                            Code:
                            A/Yokohama/91,2007/11/30, Y,O5,05,M,Kindergarten,u
                            A/Tochigi/8  ,2008/01/15,HY,O5,04,M,Nursery,v
                            A/Gifu-C/17  ,2008/01/25, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,-
                            A/Tottori/29 ,2008/01/25, Y,uu,05,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Tottori/28 ,2008/01/26, Y,uu,05,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yokohama/22,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,10,M,school,-
                            A/Yokohama/30,2008/01/28, Y,00,12,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yokohama/31,2008/01/28, Y,00,13,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yokohama/34,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,08,F,school,v
                            A/Yokohama/35,2008/01/28, Y,Z?,09,M,school,v
                            A/Tottori/23 ,2008/01/29, Y,??,04,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Tottori,21 ,2008/01/30, Y,??,06,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Tochigi/34 ,2008/02/18, Y,00,01,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Tochigi/39 ,2008/02/18, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Aichi/76   ,2008/02/19, Y,Z5,08,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Shimane/59 ,2008/02/26, Y,00,14,F,Outpatient,v
                            A/Yokohama/77,2008/02/26, Y,00,23,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yokohama/78,2008/02/28, Y,00,50,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yokohama/79,2008/02/28, Y,00,52,M,Outpatient,u
                            A/Gifu-C/38  ,2008/03/07, Y,00,04,F,Outpatient,v
                            A/Kobe/27    ,2008/03/11, Y,00,03,F,Outpatient,u
                            A/Yamagata/68,2008/03/11, Y,00,08,M,Outpatient,u
                            Why is the a Y in the sample number for the patients from Norway?

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                            • #29
                              Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                              Public full sequences or phylograms showing North-EU subclade of 2B

                              Arizona/3/07
                              Arizona/13/07
                              Arizona/14/07
                              Arizona/15/07
                              England/557/07
                              Illinois/10/07
                              Lyon/1337/07
                              Maryland/04/07
                              New Jersey/5/07
                              New Jersey/10/07
                              New Jersey/15/07
                              New Jersey/16/07
                              New Jersey/20/07
                              Norway/1630/07
                              Norway/1651/07
                              Norway/1687/07
                              Norway/1701/07
                              Norway/1731/07
                              Norway/1736/07
                              Norway/1743/07
                              Norway/1745/07
                              Norway/1747/07
                              Paris/0577/07
                              Paris/0644/07
                              Sydney/142/07
                              Sydney/143/07
                              Sydney/144/07
                              Hawaii/1/08
                              Hawaii/2/08
                              Indiana/1/08
                              Memphis/3/08
                              Minnesota/1/08
                              New Jersey/06/08
                              North Carolina/2/08
                              Pennsylvania/2/08
                              Washington/1/08
                              Wisconsin/01/08
                              Yokohama/77/08
                              Yokohama/78/08
                              Yokohama/79/08

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                              • #30
                                Re: _|INFLUENZAVIRUS A/H1N1 RESISTANT TO OSELTAMIVIR: W.H.O. PRELIMINARY SUMMARY|_

                                Y removed. That was my first idea to mark H274Y, but indentation
                                seems better. It shows how resistant and non-resistant isolates alternate.

                                In my mutation tables this would look like vertically sprenkled
                                dots or multiple short lines or dots in the same column,
                                which is rare
                                I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                                my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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