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  • #16
    Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

    Originally posted by Christian Rivers
    Director RSU Kabanjahe Dr Suara Ginting that was confirmed the Reporter in RSU Kabanjahe, on Tuesday early afternoon (1/8) justified the existence of the patient RSU Kabanjahe villagers Sumbul the Kabanjahe Subdistrict.

    ? One human case confirmed?
    No, none of them have been confirmed yet as far as I can tell. I think the "confirmed" in this sentence just means that Dr. Ginting confirmed that there were bf suspects admitted to RSU Kabanjahe hospital.
    Originally posted by Christian Rivers
    When being asked about about space treated inap the patient that was expected terjangkit the AI virus in RSU Kabanjahe that still was joining with the patient's other space, Dr Suara said until this of RSU Kabanjahe did not yet have special space (the isolation) for the patient like that.
    Suara Ginting words, the Regent Karo DD Sinulingga ordered so that as immediately as possible was built isolation space in RSU Kabanjahe to anticipate the similar incident in the future.


    ? Respiratory isolation rooms not available? For only 6 cases?
    I took this to mean that RSU Kabanjahe hospital does not have the facilities to treat bf patients (i.e. isolation rooms, etc.) and that's why these patients were transferred to RSUP Adam Malik (which is in Medan, I think).
    ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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    • #17
      Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

      With Stormsailor's excellent help.

      The first cluster and the second cluster are approximately 11 miles apart. The towns mentioned in the second article (Berastagi and Tigapanah) are within 4 miles. I don't have the new cluster circled--it's below this map slightly (is our guess), but you can get a feel for how close everything is.

      If you want to look at the maps yourself, they're:
      http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/i...461-na47-2.jpg
      http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/i...461-na47-6.jpg

      I'm tired.

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      • #18
        Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

        With Stormsailor's excellent help.

        The first cluster and the second cluster are approximately 11 miles apart. The towns mentioned in the second article (Berastagi and Tigapanah) are within 4 miles. I don't have the new cluster circled--it's below this map slightly (is our guess), but you can get a feel for how close everything is.

        If you want to look at the maps yourself, they're:



        I'm tired.
        Awesome, Muchas gracias! (Saw a mention in an article above that the 2 villages are 12 kilometers apart.)

        Go rest!
        Last edited by sharon sanders; May 4, 2024, 04:04 PM.
        ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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        • #19
          Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

          Originally posted by Christian Rivers
          Help please - on getting the facts right.

          Trying to sequence the occurrence of illnesses

          Sedangkan Evi only normal fevers then. Because his parents felt the difficulty of his two children was sick, yes at the same time was shifted to RS HAM,? beber him sembari mentioned a week beforehand Dedek experienced the cough. ?Dan just overnight, on Monday (31/7) fevers tinggi,? he exclaimed.

          So one or two of the children was sick (cough) for a week (approx Jul 24) and another develops symptoms suddenly on Jul 31.

          Trying to keep track of the people afflicted:
          The previous day around the citizen's residence was found five tails of the poultry died suddenly positive resulting from bird flu.
          Six citizens -?. villagers Sumbul or the Mupakat Source, the Kabanjahe Subdistrict, the Karo Regency. All this citizen was still having the family's relations and was living in one village.
          Here's what I've got so far:

          All 6 are related.

          These 3 (all siblings? Dedek & Elvi definitely are) admitted to RSU Kabanjahe on Monday night, July 31. Transferred to RSUP Adam Malik in Medan on Tues (Aug 1) afternoon:

          Moses Valentino Sitepu/Moses Perangin-angin [Mvs] (1.5)
          Elvi Febrianti Sitepu/Evi Br Sitepu [Efs] (10)
          Dedek Sitepu [Des] (6) - most sick according to paternal aunt Lina - Dedek has had a cough for a week - the other two just got fevers yesterday (July 31) - one of the docs said they've all had a fever since Saturday (July 29)

          The condition of the 3 below is reportedly not as serious as the other 3. And, they are still in Kabanjahe Public Hospital, Karo?

          Julham Sitepu [Js] (15)
          Reni/Reni boru Tarigan [Ren] (32) - mother to Alpian - some of her chickens reportedly died of, as yet, unknown causes.
          Alpian/Alvian Ginting [Alp] (10) - Reni's child
          ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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          • #20
            Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo



            on second map look at 123 263. there is dolok singgalang (singgalang mountain) the actual village isn't listed, my guess is it is where the road forks. these maps are incredible, however some of the features are from 1943.

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            • #21
              Three Indonesians in hospital, bird flu suspected

              Three Indonesians in hospital, bird flu suspected
              02 Aug 2006 04:39:57 GMT
              Source: Reuters

              JAKARTA, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Three Indonesian children have been hospitalised with suspected bird flu in a North Sumatran district where seven members of an extended family died from the disease in May, officials said on Wednesday.

              The three -- two siblings aged 10 and six and their 18-month-old neighbour -- were admitted to the state-run Adam Malik hospital on Tuesday after showing symptoms of bird flu, said hospital director Luhur Suroso.


              "We are testing samples taken from them," Suroso told Reuters. He declined to give further details.

              Hariadi Wibisono, the health ministry's director-general of control of animal-borne diseases, said the patients lived in Karo district in North Sumatra province where bird flu killed as many as seven people in an extended family in May.

              The deaths in Karo were the biggest cluster of the disease the country has recorded and sparked fears of a global pandemic of bird flu infections in humans.

              The World Health Organisation said in May that two members of the cluster, an Indonesian man and his son, might have caught the virus in a case of direct human-to-human transmission, but the virus did not spread very far if this did happen.

              "They are from the same district but a different village," Wibisono said, referring to the three new suspected cases.

              Indonesia has recorded 42 deaths from the H5N1 bird flu virus, equalling Vietnam, where no one is known to have died of the disease this year.

              Human cases of bird flu have been rising steadily in Indonesia since its first known outbreak in poultry in late 2003.

              Worldwide, the disease has killed at least 134 people since it re-emerged in east Asia in 2003.

              Indonesia has been criticised for not doing enough to stamp out H5N1, which still remains essentially an animal disease but experts fear could spark a pandemic if it mutates into a form that can pass easily among people.

              The government has so far shied away from mass culling of poultry, citing lack of funds and impracticality in a country with millions of backyard fowl.

              Thomson Reuters delivers technology with purpose — empowering professionals to make faster decisions, gain sharper insights, and deliver greater impact.
              ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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              • #22
                Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                Originally posted by Theresa42
                Here's what I've got so far:

                All 6 are related.

                These 3 (all siblings? Dedek & Elvi definitely are) admitted to RSU Kabanjahe on Monday night, July 31. Transferred to RSUP Adam Malik in Medan on Tues (Aug 1) afternoon:

                Moses Valentino Sitepu/Moses Perangin-angin [Mvs] (1.5)
                Elvi Febrianti Sitepu/Evi Br Sitepu [Efs] (10)
                Dedek Sitepu [Des] (6) - most sick according to paternal aunt Lina - Dedek has had a cough for a week - the other two just got fevers yesterday (July 31) - one of the docs said they've all had a fever since Saturday (July 29)

                The condition of the 3 below is reportedly not as serious as the other 3. And, they are still in Kabanjahe Public Hospital, Karo?

                Julham Sitepu [Js] (15)
                Reni/Reni boru Tarigan [Ren] (32) - mother to Alpian - some of her chickens reportedly died of, as yet, unknown causes.
                Alpian/Alvian Ginting [Alp] (10) - Reni's child
                Is Ginting a common name, or is there a blood relationship with the earlier Karo cluster?

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                • #23
                  Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

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                  • #24
                    Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                    Liputan6.com, Medan:

                    Three from five citizens of the Sumbul Subdistrict, the Karo Land Regency, North Sumatra was it was suspected infected by bird flu.

                    At this time they were treated in the Pilgrim's Public Hospital Adam the Owner, Medan.

                    As for the assurance about positive not him they were attacked by the virus avian sub-type influenza H5N1 still was waiting for results of the laboratory inspection.

                    The three patients that was expected terjangkit bird flu and currently were treated in Longing Space of A RSU Adam the Owner was Etty Boru Sitepu, 10 years and his brother, Dedek Boru Sitepu, six years.

                    The third patient was still being counted by their relatives, that is Moses Perangin-wind, one half of the year.

                    Now their mother, Reny Boru Ginting, 33 years and one of his sons that other, Alvian Sitepu was still being treated in RSU Kabanjahe because of refusing to be brought to RSU Adam the Owner.

                    Although being treated in the hospital was different, the sample of blood has from the five patients been taken to ascertain the illness that was suffered.

                    The sample of their blood was sent to the laboratory in Jakarta, today.

                    The five Sumbul citizens were expected terjangkit bird flu after experiencing the high fever was accompanied breathless.

                    Moreover had the report that five kept chickens around their residence suddenly died.

                    The cause of the death of the chickens was researched by the Livestock Breeding Service and results are it was hoped announced today.

                    (DNP/Tim Coverage 6 SCTV)


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                    http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,12679...154510906.html


                    </PRE>
                    Last edited by AlaskaDenise; August 2, 2006, 04:49 AM. Reason: reformatted for readability

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                    • #25
                      Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                      Metrotvnews.com, Medan:

                      Coordinating Minister for People's Welfare Aburizal Bakrie, Siti Fadil -lah Supari Health Minister and Agriculture Minister Anton Apriantono visited three patients suspect bird flu that was treated in Adam's central Public Hospital the Owner, Medan, North Sumatra, on Wednesday (2/8).

                      In this visit of the three ministers often held a dialogue with the family and the three patients from the Sumbul Village, the Subdistrict Kaban Ginger, the Karo Land, North Sumatra, that.

                      The three patients were Moses Valentino Parangin-wind, Dede Boru Sitepu and Evita Boru Sitepu.

                      According to Menkes, the condition the three patients increasingly improved.

                      Till today the impact of the virus H5N1 was not yet seen clear.

                      In fact, usually the impact of bird flu emerges in the fourth day.

                      The example of blood of the three patients has been sent to the laboratory of the World of the Health Body in Hong Kong.

                      Results can be known in the near future.

                      While Aburizal Bakrie said, the government has carried out all the efforts to handle the brightness of bird flu in Kaban Ginger.
                      (DEN)
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                      http://www.metrotvnews.com/berita.asp?id=21537
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                      • #26
                        Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                        Seven Indonesians being treated for suspect bird flu on Sumatra


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                        MEDAN, Indonesia Seven Indonesians from the same village on Sumatra are being treated for bird flu symptoms in what doctors and officials fear could be two new clusters of the virus.

                        The patients are believed to have been infected by chickens. Among those believed to be infected this time are two sisters, ages ten and six, and an 18-month-old boy from the house next door.


                        Blood tests still have to confirm H-Five-N-One virus infections.


                        Indonesia has recorded 42 deaths from bird flu over the past year, including seven members of one family in the same district as the latest suspected cases.

                        Indonesia is tied with Vietnam as the world's hardest-hit country.

                        Experts fear the virus will mutate into a form that spreads easily among people, potentially sparking a global pandemic.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                          Posted by Theresa42 @ CurEvents:

                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by SoccerMom
                          Is Ginting a very common name? This is the name associated with the last cluster.


                          Yes -- very common, I think.

                          Here's a page about the people of the Karo region:


                          The Karo Batak

                          The Batak are organized socio-politically into clans - large family groups, called margas. There are five main clans: Ginting, Karo-Karo, Perangin-Angin, Sembiring and Tarigan.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                            Originally posted by Commonground
                            Posted by Theresa42 @ CurEvents:

                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by SoccerMom
                            Is Ginting a very common name? This is the name associated with the last cluster.

                            Yes -- very common, I think.

                            Here's a page about the people of the Karo region:
                            http://www.peoplesoftheworld.org/te...le=Karo%20Batak

                            The Karo Batak

                            The Batak are organized socio-politically into clans - large family groups, called margas. There are five main clans: Ginting, Karo-Karo, Perangin-Angin, Sembiring and Tarigan.
                            Looks like H5N1 has three down and two to go (in the order listed).

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                            • #29
                              2 Sumatra siblings, 7 neighbors may have bird flu

                              Wednesday August 2, 2:13 PM
                              2 Sumatra siblings, 7 neighbors may have bird flu

                              (Kyodo) - Two siblings and their seven neighbors in a regency in Indonesia's North Sumatra Province are suspected of being infected with bird flu and are receiving treatment at hospitals, health officials said Wednesday.

                              An official at the Jakarta-based Bird Flu Coordinating Post told Kyodo News the siblings, aged 6 and 10, and their 18-month-old neighbor from the village of Sumbul in Karo Regency have been treated at the Adam Malik General Hospital in the provincial capital Medan since Tuesday.

                              "Six other neighbors aged between 10 and 32 are being treated at the Kabanjahe General Hospital in Karo," the official said, adding a team from the Health Ministry has been dispatched to the village.


                              "Preliminary indications show they are suspected of being infected with the H5N1 virus and their samples are being examined," she added.

                              The daily Kompas quoted Sumbul Sembiring, chief of the bird flu management team in the regency, as saying that before the new suspected cases were found 19 chickens had been found dead, probably because of bird flu.

                              In Karo, seven people from one family contracted the H5N1 strain of bird flu earlier this year. The seven family members -- six of them died -- were confirmed having contracted the virus in April and May. Another family member also died, but she was only suspected of being infected with the disease.

                              In June, the World Health Organization confirmed that human-to-human transmission of bird flu had occurred in the regency.

                              According to the WHO, the number of human bird flu cases in Indonesia is 54, including 42 deaths. The Health Ministry insists that human cases total 56, including 43 deaths.

                              The disease has killed at least 134 people around the world since December 2003, according to the WHO.

                              The latest news and headlines from Yahoo! News. Get breaking news stories and in-depth coverage with videos and photos.
                              Last edited by Theresa42; August 2, 2006, 06:32 AM.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Six people was expected Terjangkit Bird Flu in Karo

                                http://www.mediaindo.co.id/berita.asp?id=107687

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                                SUSPECT BIRD FLU: three children from the Sumbul Village, the Kabanjahe Subdistrict, the Karo Land, North Sumatra, got the maintenance in RSU Adam the Medan Owner, on Wednesday.
                                The three of them were the patient suspect bird flu and was not yet stated was infected by the virus H5N1.
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                                Medan -- MIOL: Fadil -lah Supari Health Minister said the three patients suspect bird flu from the Sumbul Village, the Kabanjahe Subdistrict, the Karo Land Regency, North Sumatra, was not yet detected terjangkit the virus H5N1.

                                Two patients that is Evi Sitepu, 10, and Moses Perangin-wind, 1,5, in the good situation, whereas Dede Sitepu, 6, headed to suspect bird flu because of having signs of pneumonia to his lungs after being done by the verification twice against the photograph toraks him.

                                "From my observation, two healthy situation inpatients, whereas one patient suspect pneumonia."

                                This pneumonia usually emerges in the fourth day, Prominent words, on Wednesday, when visiting the three patients in RSU Adam the Medan Owner with Kesejahteraan Sosial Breakingprep Abu Rizal Bakrie Minister and Agriculture Minister Anton Apriantono.

                                According to him, the three patients still could not be ascertained positive was infected or not H5N1 because still was waiting for results of the testing of the sample that has been taken.

                                "As soon as possible will have results," he said.

                                The case was solved, more Prominent, because of the discovery of the chicken that died in this area.

                                Then, the Health Service descended to search whether having humankind that experienced coughs and deman high.

                                "Evidently was found by the case, they then was reconciled to RS Kabanjahe and RSU Adam the Owner," he said.

                                In the meantime, from the three patients who were treated in space of the Longing isolation of A RSU Adam the Medan Owner, only Evi Sitepu that diinfus, whereas two other not diinfus.

                                Parents Evi Sitepu and Dede Sitepu regarded their child in the healthy condition.

                                "Children I am well," said Megawti Tarigan, 34.

                                The same thing was also said by Roymarlina, 22, the mother from Moses Perangin-wind, that said his child was healthy and agile.

                                The family could refuse his child's lungs was x-rayed by the hospital side, but finally was crushed when the three ministers came and persuaded them to x-ray his child.

                                The Pengawasan command post

                                Agriculture Minister Anton Aprintono said his side co-operated with the regional government will open the supervision command post of the route went out entered the poultry to the Karo Regency pascadikeluarkan him the decision concerning the ban brought and issued the poultry from the area.

                                This command post will be opened in several parts of the road all along the road towards the Karo Regency.

                                "This command post will be opened for six months in the future, that his implementation will co-operate with the local government," said Anton.
                                Moreover, his side will also carry out the socialisation with the regional government to make the community concerning the prevention of bird flu aware.

                                In the meantime, Kesejahteraan Sosial Breakingprep Abu Rizal Bakrie Minister said his side will take steps to overcome bird flu, as ascertaining all the patients that terjangkit got Tamiflu medicine.
                                Afterwards, for the prevention of the further spreading, will be done by several actions that were needed for the prevention that was done by regional apparatus.

                                "One of them the extermination of the poultry."
                                For this extermination, the government has prepared the replacement fund of the poultry that was destroyed.

                                We also ask for to not put the poultry and fertiliser.
                                For fertiliser still was permitted but must have permission from the Health Service and the agricultural Service, he said.
                                (YN/OL-03)
                                Last edited by HenryN; August 2, 2006, 06:44 AM.

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