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  • #16
    Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

    Originally posted by AlaskaDenise View Post
    Are the recommendations be based partly on unpublished sequences?

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    The sequence of the clade 2.3.2 target has not been released

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    • #17
      Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

      Originally posted by AlaskaDenise View Post
      Are the recommendations be based partly on unpublished sequences?

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      There are more withheld sequences in the WHO list than I initially realized.

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      • #18
        Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

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        • #19
          Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

          Is it just me...

          I feel sub Clade 2.3 seems to be more prominent/active/getting more ink/etc. than it used to. Is it becoming more of a threat or is it the Indonesia political problems just leave us without 2.1 data?
          2.2 exploded after Qinghai and obviously is big in terms of territory but was its perceived prominence just due to the fact it was heading west and became seen as more 'our problem' so got more than its fair share of (predominantly western) attention. I always thought of China as the real 'home' of flus and have been suspicious of extended periods of silence as being poor surveillance or poor reporting.

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          • #20
            Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

            Originally posted by JJackson View Post
            Is it just me...

            I feel sub Clade 2.3 seems to be more prominent/active/getting more ink/etc. than it used to. Is it becoming more of a threat or is it the Indonesia political problems just leave us without 2.1 data?
            2.2 exploded after Qinghai and obviously is big in terms of territory but was its perceived prominence just due to the fact it was heading west and became seen as more 'our problem' so got more than its fair share of (predominantly western) attention. I always thought of China as the real 'home' of flus and have been suspicious of extended periods of silence as being poor surveillance or poor reporting.
            Its movement into long range migratory birds in Japan (and Korea) has put it on the front page (and lack of data from China doesn't say much since it is an Olympic year)..

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            • #21
              Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

              Thanks.
              Do you think there is one section of the tree that is, genetically, significantly more active with high rates of recombination/reassortment compared to others and if so do these active points shift?
              We use the H & N to name the serotypes but across the full 8 strands are there areas in the world with very rich diversity (high potential for radical changes with recombination) compared to others (that was my assumption behind the China = 'home' of flus comment)?

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              • #22
                Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
                in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
                "fine-tuning"
                I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                • #23
                  Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                  Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                  reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
                  in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
                  "fine-tuning"
                  Please cite reference for the above statement.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                    Originally posted by JJackson View Post
                    Thanks.
                    Do you think there is one section of the tree that is, genetically, significantly more active with high rates of recombination/reassortment compared to others and if so do these active points shift?
                    We use the H & N to name the serotypes but across the full 8 strands are there areas in the world with very rich diversity (high potential for radical changes with recombination) compared to others (that was my assumption behind the China = 'home' of flus comment)?
                    Each tree is for a single gene segment and has nothing to do with reassortment. The length of a branch reflects number of changes.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                      genbank.

                      give a counter-example !



                      for H5N1 we have reassortments with H6N1,H9N2 in China 2004
                      (paper mentioned earlier can't find the URL so quickly)

                      but no such reassortment outside China

                      when we count 4 strains outside China (Qinghai,Indo,Vietnam,
                      Fujian) then we should count 10-20 strains inside China
                      with same distance between strains/clades


                      See also the recent papers about human flu
                      (Holmes et.al full genome, Smith et.al HA)


                      new strains and pandemics form in SE-Asia
                      I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                      my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                      • #26
                        Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                        Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                        reassortment between different serotypes only seems to happen
                        in China. Once the viruses leave China, there is only some
                        "fine-tuning"
                        The only reported human / bird reassortant (H7N2 and H3N2) was in New York.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

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                          • #28
                            Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                            OK.


                            but just only one isolate, it didn't spread. Dead end.

                            In China evolution and creation of new strains happen.
                            For H5N1 and human flu.

                            For other avian serotypes also outside China.
                            Reassortment and evolution in Canadian
                            mallards etc.

                            For birds however Eurasian and American strains
                            don't mix.
                            I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                            my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                            • #29
                              Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

                              Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                              OK.


                              but just only one isolate, it didn't spread. Dead end.

                              In China evolution and creation of new strains happen.
                              For H5N1 and human flu.

                              For other avian serotypes also outside China.
                              Reassortment and evolution in Canadian
                              mallards etc.

                              For birds however Eurasian and American strains
                              don't mix.
                              Detection of H7N2 in humans is VERY poor. In 2003 the H7N7 appeared to spread to 1000's based on H7 antibody, but the vast majority of those cases was NOT detected by PCR.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Antigenic and genetic characteristics of H5N1 viruses and candidate H5N1 vaccine viruses developed for potential use as human vaccines

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