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**sharon sanders** · June 3, 2011, 10:02 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

I think we will never know how e.coli mutated to a form never seen in humans before.

There are still rumours that A/H1N1 was man-made (which I do not believe).

I think the important point is to educate people about public health.

Keeping as clean as possible:

CDC- How to Prevent E. Coli Infection

Investigation Announcement: Outbreak of Shiga toxin-producing E. coli O104 (STEC O104:H4) Infections Associated with Travel to Germany

CDC’s Frequently Asked Questions page about Escherichia coli O157:H7 and other STEC Hemolytic-uremic syndrome (Medline Plus, National Institutes of Health)

The entire issue of clean drinking water and sanitary conditions becomes more critical as more strains of MRSA are also discovered:

New strain of MRSA superbug found in milk and people in Britain and Denmark

I think with all the novel strains of influenza circulating, along with new "novel" bacteria, we are facing a public health challenge not seen in my life time.

**Emily** · June 3, 2011, 03:58 PM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

I think this might have emerged from hospital sewage. That seems to be where you would have an intense concentration of pathogenic bacteria swapping genetic material. Here's an Irish study that shows that e. coli can survive waste water treatment.

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/76/14/4772

**mixin** · June 3, 2011, 08:27 PM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

Speigel had a good story on May 31 about the Ecoli outbreak.

[snips[

Helge Karch, the director of the RKI's EHEC consulting laboratory at the M?nster University Hospital in western Germany, has devoted almost his entire life as a researcher to EHEC bacteria. "But I've never encountered something like this," he says.

The serotype he had identified was so rare that he had only encountered it once in three decades. ...Karch found only one article under the search term "O104:H4": a case study from Korea. In the Korean case, as in most of the German cases, an adult woman had contracted EHEC, which is completely atypical for EHEC.

The suspicion that liquid manure contaminated the cucumbers seems to make sense, but only at first glance.

...that the bacteria enter the agricultural cycle through irrigation systems...But this realization hardly applies to the current European case

Now the scientists are taking a closer look at a group of pests that were previously above suspicion: slugs.

The Epidemic Detectives: The Hunt for the Source of Germany's E. Coli Outbreak

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,765777,00.html

Germany's E. coli epidemic, which has killed as many as 15 people so far, has alarmed doctors, who have never seen such an aggressive intestinal bacteria before. Epidemiologists are desperately searching for the origin of the deadly bacteria.

**tetano** · June 4, 2011, 01:08 AM

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EHEC bacteria from the army lab?

If true, the message that it would be a scandal bigger than the previously encountered deaths related to EHEC. As the online portal "Kopp online" news reports, will author Udo Ulfkotte have information that make a connection with the illness secret biological weapons projects of the Bundeswehr.

The fact is that the EHEC-germ (enterohemorrhagic Escherichia coli) since the onset of diseases prepares microbiologists in the whole country a major headache. After the deciphering of the genome of the new pathogen, together with a colleague from Beijing said Thursday the bacteriologist Holger Rohde of the University Hospital Hamburg-Eppendorf (UKE) to IMAGE Online: "We can see that it is actually new to one, not yet described variant of this virus is "And again:". This strain is only a very distant relative of the common EHEC bacteria.

According to the WHO expert on food safety, Hilde Kruse, the strain was isolated as never before in a human.
Because of genetic recombination is the germ of an extremely resistant, to produce the other under the name "HUSEC041 (O104: H4)" Deciphering new agents in the gut extraordinarily powerful poisons, called Shiga toxins. "We are seeing unexpected disease processes that were unknown until now," said the director of the Medical Clinic I at the site of the L?beck University Clinic of Schleswig-Holstein (UKSH), Hendrik Lehnert, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. What the doctors are very shaken addition to increasing numbers of cases of the fatal form of hemolytic-uremic syndrome (HUS, a severe diarrheal disease) and massive deficits such as speech problems, seizures or epilepsy, which suggest that the participation of the brain.

Despite feverish search is still not clear so far is the source of new pathogens EHEC, which now threatens to spread throughout Europe and even in America, such as n-tv and pictures online report. In a recent interview in the newspaper Die Welt speculates Professor Alexander S. Kekul?, director of the Institute for Medical Microbiology of the University Hospital Halle, that the disease might have originated in a hospital.

A total contrast to the journalist and writer Dr. Udo Ulfkotte: He says in the online portal Kopp Online that the mutant EHEC bacteria should be information to come from a top-secret biological weapons research project of the armed forces. The North German in a research laboratory developed south of Hamburg strains are actually designed to protect soldiers in foreign missions in Africa, mutated bacteria. Secret research projects to avert a potential attack with biological weapons, the army would thus have been mid 90-s maintained.

Ulfkotte writes: "The Bundeswehr is among the few armies that does not engage in offensive biological weapons research.
It can therefore develop in the laboratory no killer bacteria that could someday be used as a biological weapon. The army, however, can develop (especially in public and private) research institutions defenses against potential biological weapons dangers. And do you have to know all potentially harmful bacteria and viruses that occur in the future and explore - even their potential mutations.

He continued: "The Bundeswehr operates so on behalf of the Ministry of Defence," the so-called "protection research. According to information provided to us will be in cooperation with the Bundeswehr Research Institute for Protection Technologies (WIS) in Lower Saxony, Munster have been (to the south, just outside Hamburg) worked intensively on this area, involving activities of scientists from the high-security laboratories, and other external devices in recent years. "

According to the information the journalist to 93 percent of the DNA of the dangerous new pathogen from one produced in the Central African Republic domiciled intestinal bacterium that is known under the trade name EAEC 55989th Ulfkotte wrote that he had received his information from research circles, "there is no doubt of their genuineness." One can only wonder whether this information when you search for the still not found, mysterious "source" is helpful. Detailed information on the subject is also available here.

http://www.wochenblatt.de/nachrichten/traunstein/regionales/EHEC-Keime-aus-dem-Bundeswehrlabor-;art39,50734

**german-docter** · June 4, 2011, 01:31 AM

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From the...

Third Report on Hazards for the Public by the Commission for Civil Protection at the Federal Ministry of the Interior (March 2006):

Ups, ein Monster hat diese Seite gefressen

http://www.schutzkommission.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/SK/DE/Publikationen/Band_59.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Quote:
Page 20:

2.2.1. Hazards from germs of communicable diseases
(?)
One should keep clearly in mind the perils of a modified mode of infection of known germs as has been shown regarding the occurrence of enterohemolytic Escherichia coli (EHEC) ?

All agents of communicable diseases in connection with war, terror attacks and catastrophes ? can cause an outbreak of an epidemic.

Page 22:

2.2.2 Hazards from highly contagious germs for purposes of terror attacks or biological warfare

(...)

Occurrence of infectious diseases and fatalities caused by ? Escherichia coli can be caused by terror attacks through contamination of foodstuffs and potable water? Another hazard, not to be disregarded, emerges from unpredictable reactions of the public in situations of uncertainty until there will be unambiguous evidence?

Source:

http://www.lifegen.de/newsip/shownews.php4?getnews=m2011-06-03-1218&pc=s02

**german-docter** · June 4, 2011, 01:44 AM

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Credits to tetano

Europe - 19 dead, 2000+ infected, 500 severe cases of E-coli - EHEC STEC hemolytic uremic syndrome - FluTrackers News and Information

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168157&page=3

Re: Europe - 17 dead, 1600+ infected, 500 severe cases of E-coli - EHEC STEC hemolytic uremic syndrome

Post # 64

BGI Sequencing news: German EHEC strain is a chimera created by horizontal gene transfer

by David Tribe on 2 June 2011
Molecular genetics in China is providing answers in the frantic effort to solve the urgent public health crisis in EU.
Rapid work in China has applied third generation DNA decoding technologies to decode the German outbreak disease bacterium genome. It has revealed the germ to be a hybrid.

The novel germ has some virulence abilities of a class of pathogenic E. coli bacteria called entero-aggregative E. coli (#EAEC). It has similarities to a bacterial strain called EAEC 55989 , which was isolated in the Central African Republic and is known to cause serious diarrhea. EAEC typical carry extra mini-chromosomes called plasmids. The German outbreak strain has the typical plasmid genes of EAEC. (?)

BGI Sequencing news: German EHEC strain is a chimera created by horizontal gene transfer

http://www.biofortified.org/2011/06/german-ehec-strain-is-a-chimera/

Molecular genetics in China is providing answers in the frantic effort to solve the urgent food safety crisis in EU. Rapid work in China has applied third generation DNA decoding technologies to de…

**ming** · June 4, 2011, 02:23 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

So what are the odds that this is a natural event ? or does it have to be man-made ? forgive me, I am not a scientist !

**Emily** · June 4, 2011, 03:03 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

Leaky research lab drain like the Pirbright incident? It was never proven to the point that the farmers could get compensation, but the lab did get major funding for facility upgrades.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6931830.stm

**ming** · June 4, 2011, 03:07 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack by a North-African islamic terror group ?

thanks Emily, that's very interesting

**sharon sanders** · June 4, 2011, 10:21 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack ?

I have changed the title of the thread because there is no proof that this is an attack by any particular group.

**german-docter** · June 5, 2011, 12:13 AM

Re: EHEC outbreak in Germany: Conspiracy theory on potential terror attack ?

In case of such a ?natural source outbreak? one usually would find:

- a distinct source of foodstuff and a limited course of the outbreak: Cucumbers from Spain have proven to be not the source. If some foodstuff had been contaminated, people would beware of it or at least wash the cucumbers, tomatoes etc., a process which usually would be highly sufficient to prevent any further E.coli infections but obviously these measures do not break up the chain of infection, because the number of infected persons still seems to be rising (It started in the first days of May!). Some reports told, the germ might have been inside the cucumbers instead of at its surface, but how could that be?

- a distinct event, whereafter, unless you have a high transmission rate human-to-human, the chain of infections should come to a halt. But any relation to such an event, especially the ?Hamburger Hafenfest? (Hamburg Harbor Fest ) has been denied by the Robert Koch-Institute after a in depth-analysis of their data*.

- a distinct location, e.g. related to the supply lines of the source of infection (e.g. vegetables, potable water etc.): trans-shipment center of Hamburger Gro?markt may be such a location. But investigations clearly did show, that there is not even a plausible possibility of a ?natural? source for a secondary contamination at that marketplace. Now a restaurant at Hamburg (?Kartoffelkeller?) is suspected to be the location of infection in 17 persons who had been there on May 13*. That?s ridiculous, since we do not have a small and self-limiting outbreak in 17 cases, we have a major and ongoing outbreak more than 100-fold that number.

*: source:

Seite nicht gefunden - News & E-Mail bei t-online.de | Politik, Sport, Unterhaltung & Ratgeber

http://nachrichten.t-online.de/luebeck-im-fokus-der-ehec-fahnder/id_46969218/index

To argue against a terror attack: There is no kind of admission statement by any terror group. Well, it could be an accident (biological warfare?) or blackmailing as well, couldn?t it?

Credits to Tonka (post # 99)

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Europe - 19 dead, 2000+ infected, 500 severe cases of E-coli - EHEC STEC hemolytic uremic syndrome - FluTrackers News and Information

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168157&page=4

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Source: ProMed

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400%3A1001%3A4103571266040841%3A%3ANO%3A%3AF2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE%2CF2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID%3A1000%2C88725

Fresh vegetables are still the prime suspect, but Flemming Scheutz,
head of the WHO Collaborative Centre for Reference and Research on
_Escherichia_ and _Klebsiella_ in Copenhagen, suggests that the
bacteria might not have originated in the food chain at all. "This
strain has never been found in any animal, so it is possible that it
could have come from straight from the environment into humans."

Lothar Wieler, a veterinary microbiologist at the Free University of Berlin, cautiously agrees with this theory. In addition to the antibiotic-resistance genes, the bacteria contain a gene for resistance to the mineral tellurite (tellurium dioxide).

Tellurium oxides were used as antimicrobial agents against diseases
such as leprosy and tuberculosis before the development of
antibiotics. Some strains of bacteria may have evolved resistance to
tellurium during its historical medical use, or after its use in the
mining and electronics industries increased its presence in the
environment. According to Wieler, the strain's resistance
characteristics could point towards an environmental source, such as
water or soil.

Credits to Tetano (post # 107)

Re: Europe - 19 dead, 2000+ infected, 500 severe cases of E-coli - EHEC STEC hemolytic uremic syndrome

Europe - 19 dead, 2000+ infected, 500 severe cases of E-coli - EHEC STEC hemolytic uremic syndrome - FluTrackers News and Information

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168157&page=4

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Police are looking for EHEC Source

Klaus-Dieter Zastrow, senior consultant for Hygiene at the Vivantes clinics in Berlin, pointed to the possibility that the germ was knowingly brought by people to food. Zastrow: "We had that cases in which people such as the mayonnaise in supermarkets poisoned."

Nachrichten aus Hamburg und der Welt - Hamburger Abendblatt

http://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article1912825/CDU-Polizei-muss-nach-EHEC-Quelle-suchen.html

Nachrichten aus Hamburg und der Welt. News aus Politik, Wirtschaft, Sport und Kultur. Alles, was echte Hamburger wissen müssen!

**Emily** · June 5, 2011, 01:31 AM

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A tellurite resistant E. Coli was cloned in 1999 by Chiron.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9900201173/pdf

Looks like it was done in 1997 at Cornell, too, for use in bio-remediation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC168538/

**Pathfinder** · June 5, 2011, 08:16 AM

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Food chain at risk of being poisoned by terrorist groups

Food and drink sold in Britain is under a growing threat from terrorist groups which might try to poison supplies, the Government?s security advisers have warned.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
9:44PM BST 04 Jun 2011

Manufacturers and retailers have been told that their sector is vulnerable to attacks by ideologically and politically motivated groups that may seek to cause widespread casualties and disruption by poisoning food supplies.

The warning from the Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure [CPNI], which operates as part of the Security Service, comes as experts warned the deadly E.coli outbreak in Germany has highlighted the vulnerability of the food chain and how quickly bacteria can spread.

The highly virulent strain has claimed 18 lives and left more than 1,800 seriously ill, with the true number of cases expected to be far higher.

A senior German doctor last night called for an investigation into the possibility that the bacteria had been spread deliberately.

Klaus-Dieter Zastrow, chief doctor for hygiene at Berlin?s Vivantes hospital, said: ?It?s quite possible that there?s a crazy person out there who thinks 'I?ll kill a few people or give 10,000 people diarrhoea?. It?s a negligent mistake not to investigate in that direction.?

More...

Access Denied

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8557373/Food-chain-at-risk-of-being-poisoned-by-terrorist-groups.html

**Emily** · June 6, 2011, 04:11 PM

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Here's another one.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032622_ec...gineering.html
Forensic evidence emerges that European e.coli superbug was bioengineered to produce human fatalities

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032622_ec...#ixzz1OX536ns6

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