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  • #46
    Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father "Improving"; More Suspects

    Google-translated from Chinese:

    Nanjing bird "suspect" Jiaohua chicken
    Dec 10, 2007

    On 7 Jiangsu was the second confirmed case of human bird flu patients had to verify the identity, the name of Lu Wei [the father]. It is understood that Lu Wei due to a celebration of his son 陆侃 obtain college, especially their love Eating of chicken to the Confucius Temple in Nanjing Food stores, eating one of Jiaohua not fully cooked chicken. The following day, 陆侃 began fever and was sent to the Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital, the results died. An Min Chen Nanjing 9 Sep

    Lu Wei [the father], served as the Nanjing Military Region, director of communications repair job, intermediate grade last year to retirement age. He is currently Nanjing infectious disease hospital for treatment, according to sources, Lu Wei was reported in critical condition, but after Jiangsu Province and the Nanjing Military Region with the full medical experts rescue, now out of danger, his condition has stabilized, and getting better.

    Rescue experts full mobilization authority

    The Mainland's Lu Wei treatment is clearly a high degree of attention, Jiangsu set up a special rescue team, the mobilization of the Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital, Nanjing Gulou Hospital in Nanjing and the Nanjing Military Region General Hospital and a number of hospital respiratory and other related specialties is the clinical experience rich authoritative experts have repeatedly collective consultation, careful development of treatment programs. Medical experts have devoted every night meetings, analysis, discussion Lu Wei's condition, and the timely adjustment of treatment programs.

    It has been revealed that the Ministry of Health in Beijing also sent medical experts made a special trip to consultation. According to sources, at present Lu Wei's condition has stabilized, but medical experts are not taken lightly, they are still waiting 24 hours a day in the rotation Lu Wei bed, and closely observe the condition, and take immediate measures to prevent there repeated illness.

    According to their relatives disclosure, Lu Wei's son, named 陆侃, this year 24-year-old. Academic performance has not been good, but through the efforts, this year just to acquire the Nanjing University Adult Education College, a people that end very excited. To celebrate 陆侃 in the Billboard parents specifically with him and his girlfriend to join the downtown Nanjing Confucius Temple play, the four individuals in the catering shop Confucius Temple eating wrapped with a thick layer of mud outside the Jiaohua chicken.

    Eating of chicken to celebrate his son was admitted to University

    According to analysis, this may be precisely because of the parcel outside the chicken and thick mud caused not fully cooked chicken. Eating of chicken and the next day, 陆侃 began fever, body temperature rapidly increased. People in Jiangsu Province were sent to hospital for emergency treatment, the results died.

    As for why the incidence is 陆侃 First, his relatives said 陆侃 girlfriend custody of the two pet dogs, because she is foreigners, Nanjing relevant provisions restricting the number of dogs. In order to avoid detection, she "evacuation" of a foster 陆侃 home. To Eating of chicken in the 20 days before 陆侃 was that the one small dogs, for the prevention of rabies, he was injecting rabies vaccine, in accordance with the regulations must play five needles at a time when he had four consecutive injection of rabies vaccine, body the immunity is at the lowest point.

    Be sent to the hospital for emergency treatment, and not be treated as avian flu treatment, doctors had suspected he is suffering from the plague [or rabies?].

    His son suddenly died, my parents were very sad. Eating of chicken after the sixth day, when the father of Lu Wei fever, there is no cure heart. The urged acquaintances or in the next, he was to go to the hospital treatment.

    Their relatives said Lu Wei a special love Eating of chicken, refrigerator equipment are scrapping good chicken. Precisely for this reason, not acquaintances of suspected bird flu, the results Lu Wei went to the Infectious Diseases Hospital in Nanjing, the diagnosis of avian flu.

    Eating of chicken and the incidence of four men and women were found to be well

    Curiously, with the Eating of chicken to the four individuals, two men have incidence, and the two women have the slightest okay. It has been revealed that 陆侃 girlfriend eat particular, but something has not.

    It is learned that Lu Wei Lee, and his wife is also not related symptoms, but she has been isolated observation. Her cell phone has been closed, and she could not contact the outside world.

    Wife [mother] of hospital physicians for the brain

    Lu Wei after admission, as a clear diagnosis, the doctor immediately gave him lose the avian influenza antibodies and B-type blood albumin, and other symptomatic, due to drugs, because of medical treatment and proper measures, so stable condition.

    Lu Wei sudden disaster to a blow is obviously heavy. Originally This is a very happy family, Lu Wei Lee, the wife [mother of 1st victim] of Canada, was born in September 1955, Shanxi Yicheng, is the Nanjing Brain Hospital Physical Diagnosis by the Deputy Director, the Deputy Director of physicians.

    ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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    • #47
      Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father "Improving"; More Suspects

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      Avian influenza preventive and surveillance measures have been bolstered following the confirmation of two human bird flu cases in Jiangsu.

      The Centre for Health Protection today reviewed the latest situation and is following up with the Ministry of Health to study the possible sources of infection and the mode of transmission.

      Family clusters of H5 infections have been reported before in Indonesia and Vietnam. Direct transmission from an infected poultry source could still explain some of these cases, while inefficient human-to-human transmission due to close contact with an infected person cannot be ruled out.

      The aviation and travel industries have been informed of the latest situation in Jiangsu. Health information leaflets will be distributed to travellers going to the province. For aircraft coming from there, health announcements will be made on board while leaflets are being distributed to travellers at sea and land immigration checkpoints.

      Temperature screening for in-bound travellers at all immigration control points will continue. Travellers who are symptomatic and have a history of possible exposure to the bird flu virus will be referred to hospitals for checks.

      Targeted surveillance
      The centre is liaising with the Hospital Authority and private hospitals to form enhanced pneumonia surveillance for the H5 virus, targeting passengers arriving from Jiangsu with pneumonia signs. Doctors will be updated on the latest situation and reminded to report suspected cases.

      Community education will be boosted during the winter. While surveillance and monitoring of local chicken farms and pet bird gardens will stay, livestock farmers have been reminded to report sick and dead birds for collection and laboratory examination and adhere strictly to enforcing farm biosecurity measures.

      A four-week enhanced surveillance programme will be launched in public hospitals until January 7. They should report to the Hospital Authority all patients who have pneumonia of unidentified etiology and have travelled within seven days before the onset of symptoms to affected areas with confirmed human cases of avian flu in the past six months.

      Queen Mary Hospital's laboratory and the Public Health Laboratory Centre will provide rapid testing for avian influenza. The programme will be reviewed in four weeks.


      The public should stay vigilant against bird flu and strictly observe personal and environmental hygiene. For more prevention tips click here.
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      • #48
        Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

        Commentary at

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        • #49
          Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

          Avian influenza ? situation in China - update 5

          9 December 2007
          The Ministry of Health in China has reported a new case of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza virus in Jiangsu Province. The case was confirmed by the national laboratory on 6 December.
          The 52-year old male is the father of the 24-year old man who died from H5N1 infection on 2 December 2007. He is one of the close contacts placed under medical observation by national authorities. He developed symptoms on 3 December and was sent immediately to hospital for treatment.
          Of the 27 cases confirmed to date in China, 17 have been fatal.

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          • #50
            Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

            From Niman's Commentary above - a quote from WHO -

            "...'We know that this strain that we have seen here in China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Thailand has a very limited capability for human-to-human transmission,' he told a news conference...."

            Doesn't this statement conflict with Nidom who has said that there are 5 variants of H5N1 in Indonesia alone? Here is map that Theresa42 prepared from Nidom's comments.





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            • #51
              Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

              Originally posted by Florida1 View Post
              From Niman's Commentary above - a quote from WHO -

              "...'We know that this strain that we have seen here in China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Thailand has a very limited capability for human-to-human transmission,' he told a news conference...."

              Doesn't this statement conflict with Nidom who has said that there are 5 variants of H5N1 in Indonesia alone? Here is map that Theresa42 prepared from Nidom's comments.

              http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...02&postcount=7



              His is calling all H5N1 clades as being the same strain.

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              • #52
                Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (157): CHINA (JIANGSU)
                *********************************************
                A ProMED-mail post
                <http://www.promedmail.org>
                ProMED-mail is a program of the
                International Society for Infectious Diseases
                <http://www.isid.org>

                Date: Mon 10 Dec 2007
                Source: Singtaonet.com [in Chinese, trans. Rappt.DS, edited]
                <http://www.singtaonet.com/society_focus/200712/t20071210_688120.html>


                [The following report provides new information relating to the source
                of the H5N1 virus responsible for the death on 2 Dec 2007 of a
                24-year-old man in Jiangsu province and the concurrent illness of his
                father, and explains the possible relevance of the dog-bite incident.
                - Mod.CP]

                To celebrate [the 24-year-old's] acceptance [to a school of continuing
                education], his mother and father took him and his girlfriend to
                Nanjing's most bustling Confucian temple for some fun. At the temple's
                restaurant, the 4 of them ate Beggar's Chicken, which was surrounded
                by thick mud on the outside. [Dan Silver, the translator, comments
                that a 1990 article from the New York Times provides a useful
                introduction to Beggar's Chicken:
                <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD91638F93BA35757C0A9669582 60>.]

                According to analyses, perhaps because the mud on the outside was too
                thick the chicken inside was not thoroughly cooked. On the 2nd day
                after eating the chicken, [the young man] began feeling feverish. His
                body temperature rose quickly and he was taken for emergency treatment
                to Jiangsu Provincial People's Hospital. In the end, he could not be
                saved.

                As to why [he] was 1st to fall ill, a relative revealed that his
                girlfriend keeps 2 pet dogs. Because she is from another part of
                China, Nanjing limits the number of dogs [she can keep]. To avoid
                discovery, she sent one to be looked after by [her boyfriend]. 20 days
                before eating chicken, he was bitten by this small dog. To prevent
                rabies, he began vaccine shots. 5 injections are needed and at the
                time [of his illness] he had already completed 4 shots. His body's
                immunity was [therefore] at its lowest point. When [the man] was 1st
                sent to the hospital, he was not treated for avian influenza. The
                physicians suspected he might have contracted plague.

                After their son's sudden death, his father and mother were devastated.
                On the 6th day after eating chicken, when the father developed fever,
                he did not have the heart to seek treatment. Only after others begged
                him did he go to the hospital. A relative said that [his] family loves
                to eat chicken and his refrigerator is full of butchered chicken.
                Because of this, the relative began to wonder if it might be avian
                influenza, so [the man] went to the Nanjing
                Municipal Infectious Disease Hospital where the diagnosis of avian
                influenza was made.

                The odd thing is that although 4 people went to eat chicken [at the
                temple], only the 2 men fell ill and the 2 women are well. Reports say
                that [the] girlfriend ate a lot of chicken but is perfectly fine.
                Sources say that [the 24-year-old's mother] also has no similar
                symptoms but has been isolated for observation. Her cell phone is
                turned off and there is no contact with the outside world.

                --
                Communicated by:
                ProMED-mail Rapporteur Dan Silver

                [This exposure of father and son to the same poultry product (and
                possibly the storage of refrigerated chicken in the father's house)
                identifies a potential common source of infection and virtually
                negates the possibility of human-to-human transmission being
                responsible for these 2 cases. - Mod.CP

                The possible relevance of the dog-bite incident is that 4 rabies
                vaccine shots might have adversely affected the patient's immune
                system. The 2 women who also ate the chicken should be checked for
                antibody in case of asymptomatic infection. Or perhaps the men ate the
                legs and thighs and the women the breast, with different degrees of
                undercooking and/or original virus titer? - Mod.JW]

                [see also:
                Avian influenza, human (156): China (Jiangsu) 20071208.3967
                Avian influenza, human (155): China (Jiangsu) 20071207.3945
                Avian influenza, human (154): China (Jiangsu) 20071205.3920
                Avian influenza, human (153): China (Jiangsu) 20071202.3886
                Avian influenza, human (90): China, WHO 20070604.1809
                Avian influenza, human (85): China, WHO 20070530.1743
                Avian influenza, human (84): China 20070527.1699
                Avian influenza, human (62): China, Egypt, WHO 20070331.1103]
                ........................................cp/jw/mj/jw

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                • #53
                  Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                  Originally posted by niman View Post
                  AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (157): CHINA (JIANGSU)
                  *********************************************
                  Communicated by:
                  ProMED-mail Rapporteur Dan Silver

                  [This exposure of father and son to the same poultry product (and
                  possibly the storage of refrigerated chicken in the father's house)
                  identifies a potential common source of infection and virtually
                  negates the possibility of human-to-human transmission being
                  responsible for these 2 cases. - Mod.CP

                  The possible relevance of the dog-bite incident is that 4 rabies
                  vaccine shots might have adversely affected the patient's immune
                  system. The 2 women who also ate the chicken should be checked for
                  antibody in case of asymptomatic infection. Or perhaps the men ate the
                  legs and thighs and the women the breast, with different degrees of
                  undercooking and/or original virus titer? - Mod.JW]
                  Although the tortured logic used to explain away clear H2H transmission is somewhat entertaining, the commentaries remain quite embarassing to the scientific community.

                  There is no data to indicate the chicken was H5N1 positive before or after cooking. Similarly, the "virtually negates" comment on the twsited ad hoc argument for the chicken speaks volumes.

                  Perhaps the women are aliens and H5N1 immune, and this is part of a plot by Martians to conquer the world, begnning in China.

                  Perhaps perhaps is not very scientific.

                  The dog bite / rabies shots / short incubation - 1 day / long incubation - 11 days / white meat / dark meat proof on common source will give the duck blood pudding yarns a run for their money.

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                  • #54
                    Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                    Originally posted by niman View Post
                    His is calling all H5N1 clades as being the same strain.
                    It is misleading. The clades are quite different genetically (even if they are reportedly the same strain). The Indonesian strain(s)/clades (or whatever) are not publicly known, so how can they be compared to the rest of Southeast Asia?

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                    • #55
                      Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                      Is this goofy story about the man, his father, his girfriend and her dogs going to be the last we hear of this case? What an elaborate story. Well, regardless of the story, I hope they can put out the fire. I don't expect truth from China, rather draconian methods to contain what the media over there keeps calling an epidemic. I assume the word in chinese for "epidemic" is similiar to "outbreak." Or, let's say I hope so.
                      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

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                      • #56
                        Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                        Ministry 'not optimistic' about bird flu prevention

                        <!--enpproperty <date>2007-12-11 00:01:03.0</date><author></author><title>Ministry 'not optimistic' about bird flu prevention</title><keyword>bird flu</keyword><subtitle></subtitle><introtitle></introtitle><siteid>1</siteid><nodeid>158960</nodeid><nodename>National</nodename><nodesearchname>2@webnews</nodesearchname>/enpproperty--><!--enpcontent--> (Xinhua)
                        Updated: 2007-12-11 00:01


                        The possibilities of regional bird flu outbreaks were "very high" in the winter and coming spring, said Vice Minister of Agriculture Yin Chengjie on Monday.
                        Yin said although the country had made major achievements in preventing the disease, his ministry still considered the situation was "not optimistic" as there had been cases of poultry infection with a "relatively large contaminated area".
                        Yin said the critical point was to improve the disease control in the country's southern areas.
                        He said the methods of poultry breeding, slaughter, delivery and processing needed radical changes, adding the prevention measures were not fully carried out in some regions.
                        He ordered local departments to step up immunization measures ahead of the Chinese Spring Festival in early February next year.
                        He urged authorities to intensify supervision over bird activities along the border and in water areas by increasing sample test numbers and examination frequencies.
                        He also required managers of live poultry markets in the southern regions continue to implement sterilization measures on a regular basis and "take compulsory measures" once the bird flu virus was spotted.
                        Bird flu, or avian influenza, is a contagious disease of animal origin caused by viruses that normally infect only birds and,less commonly, pigs.
                        China's health authorities said on Monday that no human-to-human transmission had been confirmed in the two human cases of bird flu involving a father and son in the Nanjing area.
                        The means of transmission in these cases was unknown.
                        The 52-year-old man, surnamed Lu, was a native of Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu. He developed fever and was hospitalized for lower lobe pneumonia on December 3, according to the Ministry of Health.
                        Lu's son was said to have no known contact with dead poultry and the Jiangsu Animal Husbandry and Veterinary Bureau said earlier last week that no bird flu epidemic had been discovered in the province.
                        The father was in stable condition and showing signs of improvement on Monday.
                        The latest cases bring the number of confirmed human infections of bird flu in China to 27 since 2003, with 17 deaths.
                        The World Health Organization has warned that the virus could mutate into a form that is highly infectious among humans and easily transmissible from person to person. Such a change could mark the start of a global outbreak.




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                        • #57
                          Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                          Even CIDRAP is picking up the amazing circumstance of the 1 infected chicken that just happened to be undercooked and just happened to be earten only by one family.......
                          CIDRAP - Reports suggest common source in family H5N1 cases

                          Dec 10, 2007 (CIDRAP News) ? Chinese officials said today that analysis of a virus sample from a 24-year-old man who died of H5N1 avian influenza shows no signs of a dangerous mutation, as some news reports said the man and his father, who is hospitalized with an H5N1 infection, both had eaten undercooked chicken.

                          Mao Qun'an, a spokesman for China's health ministry, told reporters today that though the son's sample showed no evidence of mutation, authorities could not rule out the possibility of human-to-human transmission, Reuters reported.

                          "The virus is still avian and has not undergone a mutation in its nature," Qun'an said at a press conference. He said the men could have been infected from the same source or separate sources, according to Reuters.

                          The 24-year-old man, from Nanjing in eastern China's Jiangsu province, died on Nov 27 from an H5N1 infection, according to a previous report from the World Health Organization (WHO). Six days later his father was hospitalized, and on Dec 6 China's national laboratory confirmed the man had an H5N1 infection, according to a WHO statement yesterday. The father is listed as China's 27th H5N1 case-patient.

                          News of the men's H5N1 infections raised suspicions of human-to-human transmission after media reports and the WHO said the son had no known exposure to sick birds.

                          However, Ta Kung Pao, a Hong Kong newspaper controlled by the mainland, reported today that both men had eaten undercooked chicken in Nanjing, the capital of Jiangsu, the Reuters report said. The claims came from unnamed sources.

                          More details on the men's alleged consumption of undercooked chicken were reported today by ProMED-mail, the Internet-based reporting system of the International Society for Infectious Diseases. The ProMED post consists of an English translation of a news article from Singtaonet.com, a newspaper based in Hong Kong.

                          The ProMED post says the father and his wife took their son and his girlfriend to a restaurant at a temple, where the four ate a dish called "beggar's chicken." According to a 1990 report on beggar's chicken from the New York Times, the chicken is stuffed with herbs, wrapped in lotus leaves, packed with "6 pounds of pond mud," and baked at low heat for several hours.

                          Two days after eating the chicken, the son became feverish and was hospitalized, the ProMED report said, adding that his father got sick 6 days after eating the meal. Relatives also said the father's refrigerator was full of butchered chicken. The report speculates that the son got sick first because his immune system was weakened because he recently had undergone a series of rabies shots after he was bitten by one of his girlfriend's dogs.

                          Hans Troedsson, a WHO representative in China, said reports of the men eating undercooked chicken have not been confirmed, Reuters reported today.

                          The father is recovering after treatment with oseltamivir at the onset of symptoms, Troedsson told the Associated Press (AP) today.

                          Eighty-two people who had contact with the father and son are being monitored, but none appear to have symptoms, he told the AP.

                          The two recent cases serve as a reminder that "the virus is circulating in the environment, (and) there is a risk that we will see these isolated cases," Troedsson said.

                          So far, there is no strong evidence of human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus, and the WHO has not received a request to help officials in Nanjing investigate, he told the AP. "We don't see that is an imminent risk that these cases would be the start of a pandemic," he said.

                          See also:
                          Dec 9 WHO statement


                          Dec 4 WHO statement


                          WHO H5N1 case count
                          Dec 10 ProMED post on Chinese H5N1 cases
                          Dec 7 CIDRAP News story "Father of Chinese H5N1 fatality has infection"

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                          • #58
                            Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                            AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (158): CHINA (JIANGSU)
                            ***********************************************
                            A ProMED-mail post
                            <http://www.promedmail.org>
                            ProMED-mail is a program of the
                            International Society for Infectious Diseases
                            <http://www.isid.org>

                            [The following comments have been received in response to the
                            Moderators' comments to the ProMED-mail post: Avian influenza, human
                            (157): China (Jiangsu) 20071210.3978]

                            [1]
                            Date: Mon 10 Dec 2007
                            From: William Simpson <simpsowm@musc.edu>


                            Genetic susceptibility
                            --------------------------
                            In addition to the possibility of similar exposures, there is the
                            apparent genetically related susceptibility reported in other "family
                            clusters." As far as I'm aware, all persons in family clusters who
                            have died have been genetically related (mother-son, father-son,
                            etc.) and never related by marriage (husband-wife, etc).

                            --
                            Communicated by:
                            William M. Simpson, Jr., MD
                            Professor of Family Medicine
                            Medical University of SC
                            Medical Director, SC Agromedicine Program
                            Charleston, SC, USA
                            <simpsowm@musc.edu>

                            [An important omission on our part. - Mod.CP]

                            ******
                            [2]
                            Date: Mon 10 Dec 2007
                            From: Dave Halvorson <halvo002@umn.edu>


                            Where is any evidence that any human anywhere has contracted
                            avian influenza by eating chicken? Even pasteurization temperatures
                            inactivate avian influenza virus, and that temperature is well below
                            what anyone would ever call "rare" chicken. Please don't perpetuate
                            myths.

                            --
                            Communicated by:
                            Dave Halvorson <halvo002@umn.edu>

                            [The thrust of the comment was to highlight the existence of possible
                            sources of contact with poultry contrary to previous denials. We
                            agree that there is no evidence for transmission of avian influenza
                            virus by *eating* cooked, undercooked or uncooked diseased poultry, but
                            there is not much evidence for the transmission of infectivity by any
                            specific route. Failure to transmit is the norm. - Mod.CP]

                            [Also, presumably the rabies treatment included immune globulin of some
                            sort, which might have contained influenza antibodies.- Mod.LM]

                            [see also:
                            Avian influenza, human (157): China (Jiangsu) 20071210.3978
                            Avian influenza, human (156): China (Jiangsu) 20071208.3967
                            Avian influenza, human (155): China (Jiangsu) 20071207.3945
                            Avian influenza, human (154): China (Jiangsu) 20071205.3920
                            Avian influenza, human (153): China (Jiangsu) 20071202.3886
                            Avian influenza, human (90): China, WHO 20070604.1809
                            Avian influenza, human (85): China, WHO 20070530.1743
                            Avian influenza, human (84): China 20070527.1699
                            Avian influenza, human (62): China, Egypt, WHO 20070331.1103]
                            .............................................cp/msp/jw

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                            • #59
                              Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                              Originally posted by niman View Post
                              AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (158): CHINA (JIANGSU)
                              ***********************************************
                              A ProMED-mail post
                              <http://www.promedmail.org>
                              ProMED-mail is a program of the
                              International Society for Infectious Diseases
                              <http://www.isid.org>

                              [The following comments have been received in response to the
                              Moderators' comments to the ProMED-mail post: Avian influenza, human
                              (157): China (Jiangsu) 20071210.3978]

                              [1]
                              Date: Mon 10 Dec 2007
                              From: William Simpson <simpsowm@musc.edu>


                              Genetic susceptibility
                              --------------------------
                              In addition to the possibility of similar exposures, there is the
                              apparent genetically related susceptibility reported in other "family
                              clusters." As far as I'm aware, all persons in family clusters who
                              have died have been genetically related (mother-son, father-son,
                              etc.) and never related by marriage (husband-wife, etc).

                              --
                              Communicated by:
                              William M. Simpson, Jr., MD
                              Professor of Family Medicine
                              Medical University of SC
                              Medical Director, SC Agromedicine Program
                              Charleston, SC, USA
                              <simpsowm@musc.edu>

                              [An important omission on our part. - Mod.CP]
                              The soap opera continues. Although the reader / contributor and commentator don't seem to know of the MANY H5N1 cluster members who are not blood relatives, the cases are confirmed, public, and well known to those knowledgeable about this subject.

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                              • #60
                                Re: China: Man Dies; Infected Father &quot;Improving&quot;; More Suspects

                                Originally posted by niman View Post
                                AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (158): CHINA (JIANGSU)
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                                [2]
                                Date: Mon 10 Dec 2007
                                From: Dave Halvorson <halvo002@umn.edu>


                                Where is any evidence that any human anywhere has contracted
                                avian influenza by eating chicken? Even pasteurization temperatures
                                inactivate avian influenza virus, and that temperature is well below
                                what anyone would ever call "rare" chicken. Please don't perpetuate
                                myths.

                                --
                                Communicated by:
                                Dave Halvorson <halvo002@umn.edu>

                                [The thrust of the comment was to highlight the existence of possible
                                sources of contact with poultry contrary to previous denials. We
                                agree that there is no evidence for transmission of avian influenza
                                virus by *eating* cooked, undercooked or uncooked diseased poultry, but
                                there is not much evidence for the transmission of infectivity by any
                                specific route. Failure to transmit is the norm. - Mod.CP]

                                [Also, presumably the rabies treatment included immune globulin of some
                                sort, which might have contained influenza antibodies.- Mod.LM]
                                The thrust of the moderator's comment was to once again display the abilty of the commentators to posted utter nonsense masquerading as rationale thought.

                                Now we have a "might" on what the immunoglobulin MIGHT have contained, which again MIGHT be part of the Martian plot noted earlier.

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