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  • #76
    Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

    Originally posted by niman
    There are 4 families with multiple victims.

    Risman has two dead siblings (Rubia-4M and Sardi-13F) and maybe one more at home with symptoms.

    Euis Lina (35F) has died as has her daughter Dea (9F)

    Umar Aup (17M), H5N1 positive, has survived, but his cousin, Misbah - 20M) has died

    Ai Siti (9F), H5N1 positive) has died, but her cousin and playmate are hospitalized (with false negatives)

    Thus, all four who died without testing are part of clusters which have H5N1 positive or hospitalized members.

    There are FOUR familial clusters.
    Where did you see that Sardi is a sibling of Risman and Rubia?

    And, aren't Risman and Rubia (and then, maybe, Sardi) all siblings of Misbah?
    ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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    • #77
      Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

      Originally posted by Theresa42
      How do you know Sardi (S) is a sibling of Risman & Rubia?
      From #62

      the Lamp and Rubiyah, both of them the full sibling Risman

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      • #78
        Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

        Originally posted by niman
        From #62

        the Lamp and Rubiyah, both of them the full sibling Risman
        "the Lamp" = Misbah
        Sebelumnya, tiga korban lainnya, Misbah dan Rubiyah, keduanya kakak kandung Risman, dan Dea Amalia, 9, anak kandung Euis Lina, meninggal dunia. Saat itu, ketiga korban didiagnosa terkena radang typhus, namun menjelang kematiannya mengalami shock dan sesak nafas berat.
        (^ that's the passage in Indonesian from the article in post #62)
        ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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        • #79
          Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

          while Umar Aep, 17, has recovered from his infection despite his refusal to be hospitalised, Roesin said.

          I'm glad he recovered, but this may incourage many to stay home and seek traditional medicine, then we won't have any idea how many are sick.
          "We are in this breathing space before it happens. We do not know how long that breathing space is going to be. But, if we are not all organizing ourselves to get ready and to take action to prepare for a pandemic, then we are squandering an opportunity for our human security"- Dr. David Nabarro

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          • #80
            Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

            Originally posted by Theresa42
            Where did you see that Sardi is a sibling of Risman and Rubia?

            And, aren't Risman and Rubia (and then, maybe, Sardi) all siblings of Misbah?
            The original stories indicated there were 3 fatalities who were not testted in addition to Misbah (Umar Aup's cousin).

            The three untested were Dea, Rubiah, and Sardi.

            Dea was Euis Lima's daughter.

            Rubia and Sardi were siblings of Risman

            Misbah has always been cited as Umar Aup's cousin.

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            • #81
              Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

              Beforehand, three other casualties, the Lamp (Misbah?) and Rubiyah, both of them the full sibling Risman, and Dea Amalia, 9, the uterus child Euis Lina, died.

              Not to further confuse the issue, but, couldn't this also be saying that the Lamp and Rubiyah are siblings of Risman and Dea Amalia? All being children of Euis Lina?
              "We are in this breathing space before it happens. We do not know how long that breathing space is going to be. But, if we are not all organizing ourselves to get ready and to take action to prepare for a pandemic, then we are squandering an opportunity for our human security"- Dr. David Nabarro

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              • #82
                Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                Originally posted by niman
                Rubia and Sardi were siblings of Risman
                No. Misbah (not Sardi) and Rubiah were siblings of Risman according to the article in post 62.
                ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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                • #83
                  Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                  Originally posted by Theresa42
                  "the Lamp" = Misbah (^ that's the passage in Indonesian from the article in post #62)
                  If the "Lamp" is Misbah, then who is the "Nun"?

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                  • #84
                    Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                    Rubiah = the nun (toggletexted it).
                    ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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                    • #85
                      Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                      Originally posted by Theresa42
                      No clusters, eh?
                      She may be saying this just to try to keep MSM away from the story. She can give them a headline: "No clusters in Garut," which is then seconded by Kandun. Either that, or they have a very unique way of defining "clusters."
                      Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

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                      • #86
                        Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                        Originally posted by post #8
                        Four other people who died and were it was suspected attacked by bird flu were Euis Lina, the Nun, the Lamp, and Sardi.
                        Original Indonesian:
                        Empat orang lain yang meninggal dan diduga terserang flu burung adalah Euis Lina, Rubiah, Misbah, dan Sardi.

                        http://www.pikiran-rakyat.com/cetak/...06/19/0101.htm
                        I think 2 siblings have died, Misbah and Rubiah, and they were both cousins of positive Umar -- and there are (at least) 2 other siblings from that household sick -- Risman and likely one other.
                        ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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                        • #87
                          Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                          Originally posted by Theresa42
                          Rubiah = the nun (toggletexted it).
                          From #61

                          Whereas four patients suspect other bird flu in Garut that consisted of the man have the initials M. (20), the woman had the initials EL (35), the daughter had the initials R (13), the male child had the initials S (4) died before could be taken his sample to be checked.

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                          • #88
                            Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                            Originally posted by niman
                            From #61

                            Whereas four patients suspect other bird flu in Garut that consisted of the man have the initials M. (20), the woman had the initials EL (35), the daughter had the initials R (13), the male child had the initials S (4) died before could be taken his sample to be checked.
                            Euis Lina (35)F
                            Rubiah (13)F
                            Misbah (20)M
                            Sardi (4)M ?

                            Hat-tip, Soylent Blue!
                            ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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                            • #89
                              Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                              Originally posted by Theresa42
                              Original Indonesian:I think 2 siblings have died, Misbah and Rubiah, and they were both cousins of positive Umar -- and there are (at least) 2 other siblings from that household sick -- Risman and likely one other.
                              My guess is Misbah (the lamp) was a mistake and they meant to say Sardi. All reports have Misbah (M) as the 20 year old cousin of Umar Aup.

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                              • #90
                                Re: INDONESIA - Garut Cluster Part II

                                Originally posted by niman
                                My guess is Misbah (the lamp) was a mistake and they meant to say Sardi. All reports have Misbah (M) as the 20 year old cousin of Umar Aup.
                                ??

                                Yes -- but the report from Pikiran Rakyat says: Four other people who died and were it was suspected attacked by bird flu were Euis Lina, the Nun, the Lamp, and Sardi. (post 8)

                                So, four other people who died are suspected to have had bf: Euis Lina, Rubiyah [the nun], Misbah [the lamp] and Sardi.

                                That doesn't contradict reports that Misbah was 20 and a cousin of Umar. And, they even said Sardi.
                                ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. - Sherlock Holmes

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