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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:45 PM
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Just a quick question, which I believe the answer to is YES. However, I have not seen any empirical articles relating to this. If anyone has data related to this topic, please post.

The reason I am asking this important questions is that I work at a psychiatric hospital where I have been frequently exposed to several internal waves of flu. Several units were quarantined over the past 2 months as a result and have tested positive for Influenza A, most likely H1N1.

Since this has all been taking place, I find that me and a couple of others have come down with flu-like symptoms each time and often the symptoms are different.

Understanding that the virus can change/mutate significantly, I was curious to know of the likelihood of re-infection, although there could be other explanations (first getting H1N1 and then later Seasonal Flu or just a resurfacing of symptoms from the primary exposure, for example).

Interested in all of your input, especially related studies being that the info could be important in treating the kids and staff with which I work. Moreover, my arguments for further protection of those who have already been exposed can be supported better by science since media and gov info is conflicting.

I also understood from Darkhorse that a Flutrackers member named Tonka had a similar experience.

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http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

During the Friday CDC press briefing it was stated that a study was done that showed only 10% of H1N1 suspected cases studied had antibodies. One interpretation of this would be that the immunity from infection is very short lived. If this is true, then you could catch it over and over again, and we may have to get vaccinated over and over again as well.

The more common interpretation is that only 1 out of 10 actually had the disease and the other nine had something else. If that is true, that makes the CFR 900% higher than we thought and it will be a long time before herd immunity. It also means we are in for a season of diagnosis purgatory, as obviously why would we do any better now than in the spring, especially when confirmation testing is now mostly hospitalizations and deaths.
And the important question you asked will be even harder to answer.
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so, when were they tested ? what made them "suspected cases" ?

Just test NY randomly. We have an estimate of ~700000 infected in NH.
That is hard evidence, it won't be less than 100000, IMO.

when will the study be published or preliminary data given to us ?
Before or after the vaccination starts ?
2nd wave already underway in USA


watch NYC now. Are they protected from wave 1 ?
So far it seems so, no 2nd wave in NYC, i.e. Queens yet.

If they get a 2nd wave now as the whole Southern USA,
then that is bad news for the vaccine-hopes
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#1:
"hospital where I have been frequently exposed to several internal waves of flu. Several units were quarantined over the past 2 months as a result and have tested positive for Influenza A, most likely H1N1."



With a premise that such NON-lab-checking cases situation is probably present in many hospitals worldwide,
I must note that it is outrageous that after quarantines during 2 months of A flu exposition,
the hospital did not decide to make detailed tests to detect the possible presence of the pandemic flu virus in it's illnessed staff and patients.

Directives of non-checkings if the human is not hospitalized himself,
without taking at least some cases as possible sentinel pandemic presence, are eyes wide shut on the matter.

How statisticaly extract the pandemic pattern, when even the few neccessary sampling detailed test weren't done ...
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it would have been easy to test how many people get it twice.

- just ask them

plus some samples of serology, tests in ferrets,
hospitalization records ...


we should know. Wave 2 is already there.
They don't tell us.
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Both my wife and I have been sick with flu like symptoms more than once in over a 2 month period.
Around the 3 - 4th week of May we both took ill. For the most part our symptoms were the same. My doctor told me I had a "virus" and my wife's doctor told her she had "seasonal flu".
The second time we both got sick - this time it was worse - was around the middle of July. My doctor again told me I had a "virus" and my wife's doctor told her she had "the flu"..... strange that she could be diagnosed with flu twice out of flu season.Her and I receive our seasonal flu shot every fall.
Neither one of us were lab tested when we saw our doctors. I had asked to be tested for influenza A both times, but both times they refused.
We will never know for sure if we had pandemic H1N1 both times.But it was strange to have a flue like illness 2 times over 2 months, when it was out of regular flu season.
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Not if they are using rapid test kits. Their accuracy not too good. "Compared to RT-PCR, the sensitivity of RIDTs for detecting novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infections ranged from 10-70%". http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance/rapid_testing.htm
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I had the seasonal flu vaccine in January this year. I am in my mid fifties with the following underlying conditions: first degree AV block, a slightly leaky malformed mitral heart valve, and mild very occasional asthma. Vitamin D status in the 50's, BMI 21, physically active career working with dogs and people who travel very frequently. I live in the SE United States.

On 4/21 I became ill after inadvertent exposure to a client's illness following her return from Cancun. Started with runny nose, sore throat, progressed to GI upset & pain, wheezing, coughing, hot & cold, but never measured a fever, and leg cramps. This was over in about 6 days, but I did require treatment for asthma at my doctor's office afterward. We believe it was Pandemic flu.

On 6/4 I became ill after inadvertent exposure to a client's illness following her return from S. Cal. where both of her grandchildren ended up in the Emergency Rm diagnosed with a "viral illness." They were not tested for Pandemic flu, but had all of the symptoms and high fevers. Thankfully they recovered well, but my client became ill after boarding the 2nd leg of her flight in Las Vegas. She required constant help from the flight attendants due to her GI symptoms and episodes of syncope. Her sorrowful remark "I know I gave this to everyone on that plane." This time I had some fever for a day and a half as well as more respiratory involvement, & leg cramps again. As with the last illness, it started with a runny nose & mild sore throat. Some GI, but not as bad. I was left with an odd rash on my forehead and the backs of my elbows. I also needed treatment at the doctor's office afterwards for asthma. Inhalers just couldn't get it under control. We believe this was Pandemic flu.

On 7/19 my husband who had returned from a business trip to S. Cal. had a mild version which he kicked in 3 days. I also had a very mild rerun of symptoms. In addition, I had been taking care of my adult daughter and her toddler who had arrived just previously with fullblown symptoms more like my first illness. We believe this was Pandemic flu.

By now, I thought I had just been unlucky in catching variant IV from client 1 and Variant I from client 2 and was dealing with the immune consequences of original antigenic sin. Along in here, I started having blue lips, fingers, toes, and finally returned to the doctor to find out that I was dealing with pneumonia, bronchitis, and a sinus infection. I started on antibiotics for this. Dr. discussed my taking Tamiflu if it appeared I was starting to get this new version of flu again. She thought I still had viral activity in my system, but we agreed it was probably too late to take Tamiflu. Still had the rash.

End of August - I was out doing errands and suddenly felt ill. Made it home and went to bed achy, coughing, fever - this felt like the flu of old times! My vaccination must have kicked in because it was gone in a day and a half. Local University newspaper reported 2 students had confirmed Pandemic H1N1 and 2 others had confirmed type B flu. My daughter & her toddler called me to say that they had flu again, "but this is really different." They were very sick for 8 days. They had not had a seasonal vaccination. My grandson had a post flu sinus infection & ear infection. He also ended up in the emergency room another time here at the end with an allergy to ibuprofen and possibly amoxicillin, (I tried to warn her Snowy, but his fever kept going up near 105 and she & the doctors couldn't control it with tylenol alone - wouldn't try other measures).

September 9th started with sore throat, runny nose, and leg cramps - and I started Tamiflu!!! Worked beautifully. I did have a post flu sinus infection which was cleared with a z-pack. I feel great! I am gardening, walking dogs; heading off on a trip (in my private car to check on elderly parents). I do have flu phobia however. This whole summer was blown away, has cost a fortune, and I don't know whether I will catch this again. My doctor has loaded me up with Tamiflu, Relenza, and a z-pack. I know that I am fortunate to live in this part of the world where we have access to these medications. I am also fortunate to be able to afford them, but I feel like I'm using a lot more than my share.
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My husband and I have noticed a strange flu anomaly between us this year. He's had the flu twice in our marriage, and I've had the flu once in our marriage (we've been married 22 years this year). I don't recall having the flu growing up, but assume I did at some point...

Anyway, I had a lab confirmed case of flu (not swine flu - I was positive for Type B) on March 30th of this year. I was given Tamiflu and the duration was shortened to about 3 days. My husband was sick the next week - but he tested negative for flu and positive for strep (I had tested positive for flu and negative for strep).

This was odd to both of us because we just don't sick often. Even odder? None of our three kids got sick - or their friends (all teens and we always seem to have a house full of kids!). I kept expecting it to 'run' through the family and it didn't.

Speed up to Labor Day...My husband got sick the day after Labor day. Tested negative for flu, positive for strep (twice in 6 months? very strange indeed). He he didn't feel like 'strep' at all - not much of a sore throat, but he was sick as a dog, with flu symptoms - i.e., lots of respiratory gunk, cough, body aches, and slept for a week. 4 days later, I got it. I went to the doctor and tested negative for strep, but didn't even get the flu swab because it meant going back into the 'sick' waiting area where all the ILI folks were and I didn't want to do that I too was sick for a straight week - with flu like symptoms.

Recovered....felt fine for a week, then woke up this morning with a sore throat, congestion, tired, all over again, fever (but low grade). What the heck?

Obviously that first round in the spring wasn't H1N1 for me, but still odd that I had the flu in the spring, had flu like illness again 3 weeks ago, and woke up today with ILI again.
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"All exposed to H1N1 flu have developed antibodies: NIV study"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/4992310.cms

"Cross-Reactive Antibody Responses
to the 2009 Pandemic H1N1 Influenza Virus"

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/NEJMoa0906453.pdf

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NIV,India beats CDC ?

Pune gives serological data which NYC is still lacking.

what's one lakh ?

article is from 9.Sept.

here a followup from 14.Sept.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5011570.cms
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And, yet another study out of China:
"Therefore, we suggest that vaccination against seasonal influenza, rather than exposure to older, seasonal, influenza viruses (H1N1), which may be
genetically and antigentically similar to pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus, as suggested, might have generated partial protection against this new virus."
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/15/11/pdfs/09-0868.pdf

lakh= 100,000

Also, "With an antibody concentration of 40 or more considered protective (immunologists describe antibody responses in terms of serum dilution ratios, such as 1:40), the tests showed that 100 percent of subjects born between 1910 and 1929 mounted antibody levels of 80 or more. Only 34 percent of subjects born before 1950 mounted comparable levels, suggesting that exposure to the 1918 pandemic virus or its immediate descendents in the 1920s and 1930s conferred the strongest protection against the new flu."
http://www.ethiopianreview.com/health/3292

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or could it be that people were immune in USA through exposure to
classical swine virus or 1976-vax ?

Where the 1976 vax itself was/is more protective when there were
seasonal vaccinations or exposures before
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Well, my husband appears to have Pandemic H1N1. I could test this theory and kiss him (since I had the Swine Vax in 76), but I think I'll pass.
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can you test the theory whether it transmits by eating
or whether eating flu even gives antibodies
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I shared some of his food on Saturday (when he was definitely exhibiting signs) So, while I have another few days before I'm out of the woods, I may be lucky, or my old '76 vax may have helped. One other thing, I may have contracted flu in '57 (according to my mom, we had something quite powerful).

This is the CDC's answer as to if you can get ****again:
Q: How long (one season or more) will immunity be effective from the H1N1 vaccine? Will this be an annual vaccine like the seasonal flu?

A: Influenza (flu) viruses change from year to year. You are unlikely to get infected with the same exact strain of influenza (flu) more than once. Most people with flu-like illness since spring 2009 don't know whether they were infected with 2009 H1N1 or another flu virus strain. If you think you had 2009 H1N1 infection, ask your doctor if you should be vaccinated. The only sure way to diagnose 2009 H1N1 infection is with real-time reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR).

Q: If I’ve already had the H1N1 flu this year, can I get it again?

A: Please remember that the H1N1 virus is new and research is being conducted to better understand its characteristics. In addition, although data on H1N1 are scarce and this illness is still being studied, it is also important to know that flu viruses undergo frequent changes during an outbreak.

In general, exposure to a particular strain of flu virus will protect you against that strain in the future. However, it will not protect you from infection by other flu virus strains.

Please also note that it is possible for a person to be infected with the seasonal influenza (flu) virus more than one time in a season, because several strains of flu virus circulate each year.
http://www.flu.gov/fluexperts.html#q

Of course, you may be one of the UNLIKELY.

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Something with this atypical pneumo/broncho/tracheo-synus/.../ recurent infections in a world pandemic distributed virus phase 6,
is stil very odd.

And the official public health org's hadn't give any loud clear explanation about, even 6 months after the main pand. appearance.

These recurrent infections of illnesses seems to be an recurrent fact on the fields, much more now then decades previously. Why?

Paraflu viruses / atypical pneumo / flu like viral illness / ... / - what's that, generic diagnoses?
Where are the real agent diagnoses from the world fieldsabout these recur. events?


So, in this why-it-is-reccurent vaccum of an answer about this triple-species-quality flu virus pandemic,
it could be made a joke with as saying:
it is an triple reccurent infection, depending if you are invaded more by the pig, the bird, or the human quality of the virus when infected
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Well, my duaghter and I returned from the doctor and for the second time I was diagnosed with Influenza A-H1N1 in a month.

The doctor with whom I spoke reported that my case is not the only one she's seen with possible re-infection, which has caused concern for both of us. We are both a part of the the local pandemic planning committee and you could be sure that it will be brought up then!! One of the explanations we considered was the first being H1N1 and the other being seasonal, WHO KNOWS!
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One theory I have been pondering over the last several days it that the fact that H1N1 is so new. It might take more than one time being infected to get full immunity. This could also be completely off. Just my opinion, though.
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what CDC says above doesn't make sense to me.
Flu doesn't change much during an outbreak

my theory: you are about half as likely to get it again
each further infection halfs the likelyhood again
odds are a bit worse for vaccine
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So, how many times do I need to get it before I'd not need a vaccination EVER? What I believe the CDC is saying is that one would need to vaccinate each year for protection. BTW, I do think this is my husband's second round. The first being much more potent and lasting three times as long.

Interesting article: Is that Cough Swine Flu? Don't Ask the CDC
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-..._b_304950.html
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Hello all!
I believe we have had the SAME thing over and over again. We have been in California the past 2 weeks. The day before the flight, my 19 year olds rash came back again in the same place, on her chest, as well as the same sore throat, congestion and cough. This was the 4th time for her. She got a shot of decongestant and a course of antibiotics and kicked it again. There really is no doubt to me that is is the same exact thing as before. Seemed a little worse each time. Never a fever.
It reminds me of when there is a bacterial infection and you stop the antibiotics too soon and get sick again...only this is viral. So perhaps you do have to have it a few times to gain immunity.

I have been wondering if we would become ill from the 2nd wave happening here in Ca. if we were already exposed twice in Mexico...so far, so good!
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Well, my duaghter and I returned from the doctor and for the second time I was diagnosed with Influenza A-H1N1 in a month.

The doctor with whom I spoke reported that my case is not the only one she's seen with possible re-infection, which has caused concern for both of us. We are both a part of the the local pandemic planning committee and you could be sure that it will be brought up then!! One of the explanations we considered was the first being H1N1 and the other being seasonal, WHO KNOWS!
Could it be that 2009 H1N1 is mutating? I always thought that once you had a particular strain, you were immune - unless that strain mutates to something a bit different...then you would have partial immunity (i.e., maybe a milder case)?

So what is the simplest explanation here?

A) That you have had 2009 H1N1 aka "Swine Flu" AND seasonal H1N1 (even though surveillance doesn't show seasonal in any great numbers right now)?

or

B) Swine Flu has mutated just enough to cause reinfection - i.e., not the same strain you had previously, but also not the seasonal H1N1?

or

C) You are still shedding from the first round and that caused the positive test both times, but your symptoms right now are actually from something *else*?

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Well, my son wanted to have it before his college test last week. I told him if he was going to get it, he might want to wait until finals week because it would be hard to call in SWINE FLU more than once. I wonder if that's why the numbers at colleges has decreased. http://www.acha.org/ILI_LatestWeek.cfm#chart_state
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no mutations.

No wave 2 in New York yet, which was hit hardest in wave 1.

While Georgia,North Carolina,Texas ... (Southern USA + Mexico)
who now have it badly had not so much in wave 1

But maybe it just travels south-->north, other Northern
don't have much already either.

We'll see, whether New York City gets it again...

It also depends on the genetics, some people won't get it at all,
some multiple times.

There are several immune-systems:
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Well, my son wanted to have it before his college test last week. I told him if he was going to get it, he might want to wait until finals week because it would be hard to call in SWINE FLU more than once. I wonder if that's why the numbers at colleges has decreased. http://www.acha.org/ILI_LatestWeek.cfm#chart_state
Until I saw your post I was just happily thinking that anyone that had it was immune I hope that it is still true for the most part. Even if there is a mutation, I think having it once will help you fight it.

On the other hand, nothing is 100% predictable with influenza - but this virus hasn't showed a highly mutative hand yet. We'll see!

RE: Your college son: I have two on campuses away from home (and a junior in HS still at home). My oldest son called today to tell me that 4 fraternity brothers of his (all living in the same frat house) have swine flu. 2 Confirmed positives for Type A, 2 just got sick today and haven't been tested yet. 1 is so sick he's no longer at campus and has gone home to Mom and Dad. He spent the entire day yesterday with one of the kids that tested positive this morning. Joy, Joy....blah!

He said "I know why this is happening now - it got cold here the last two nights, Mom!" (He's in Hattiesburg, MS which is still normally warm this time of year).

Told him all the usual stuff, and then added in he needed to get his butt outside and sit in the sun today (it's 75 out there and not a cloud in the sky he said)!

He noted that he has midterms starting Friday and he didn't need to miss any so he was really worried that he had been exposed yesterday.

Mississippi had an earlier "peak" as did Georgia and Alabama. Will be interesting to see if the counts start to rise again now that we have this first cold front through!
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We were never tested, but I had 4 bouts and the hubby had 3 over the past few months.

Niether of us ever had a fever, even though we felt feverish and had horrible bone-chills. Endless headache, sore throat off and on, dizziness, bone and muscle aches and extremely tired.

For us, each time it was a bit milder. We both took tamiflu the first time and hubby took it again the second time. He has heart problems so we didn't want to take unnecessary risks.

Since we weren't tested, I can't say for certain that it was H1N1, but it was off-season for flu, felt like flu and we'd both had our seasonal flu and pneumonia vax last winter.

It seems that many folks are getting it over and over again.
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It will be interesting to see if the VAX will be enough to prevent contraction or reinfection.
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