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**Snowy Owl** · December 5, 2006, 07:30 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

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**HenryN** · December 5, 2006, 07:34 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by zkurmus

Here we go again...

I cannot find the direct link to Hurriyet newspapers article I saw on Saturday, but here's one:

http://www.haber3.com/haber.php?haber_id=181665

BF Panic in Tokat
15 chickens died in the past week in the village of Firindere in Tokat. Villagers, who suspected BF, informed of the situation to the Municipality Agriculture department. Village mukhtar Rahmi Turgut stated that their village was not effected by BF in the past years, and that they are expecting teh arrivals of teh officials to make the necessary tests. Villagers, who were afraid that their chickens would be culled, did not want to inform the authorities.
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Tokat'ta kuş gribi paniği
Tokat'ta ardarda meydana gelen tavuk ?l?mleri paniğe yol a?tı.
02 Aralık 2006 09:27

Tokat?a bağlı Fırındere K?y??nde, son bir hafta i?erisinde 15 tavuk ?ld?.

Kuş gribinden ş?phelenen k?yl?ler, durumu Tarım İl M?d?rl?ğ??ne bildirdi. K?y Muhtarı Rahmi Turgut, "Ge?en yıllarda bizim k?yde ve ?evre k?ylerde kuş gribi g?r?lmedi. Son bir hafta i?erisinde 15 tavuk ?ld?. Biz de her ihtimale karşı durumu bildirdik. Tarım il M?d?rl?ğ? g?revlilerini bekliyoruz" dedi. Hayvanlarının itlaf edileceğinden korkan k?yl?ler, bu durumun duyulmasını istemediklerini s?yledi. Tarım M?d?rl?ğ? ekiplerinin tavuk ?l?mlerinin ger?ekleştiği k?meslerden ?rnek alacağı ve araştırma yapacağı belirtildi.

Yes, keep us posted. There is little doubt that H5N1 is already in Turkey. It is simply a mattor of who will report what and when.

**HenryN** · December 5, 2006, 08:02 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Commentary at

Poultry Deaths in Turkey Raise H5N1 Survellance Concerns

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12050601/H5N1_Turkey_Poultry.html

Recombinomics Commentary

**Sharpe** · December 5, 2006, 09:30 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Map of north-central Turkey attached.

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**AlaskaDenise** · December 5, 2006, 03:31 PM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by niman

Commentary at

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12...y_Poultry.html

Commentary

Poultry Deaths in Turkey Raise H5N1 Survellance Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary
December 5, 2006

15 chickens died in the past week in the village of Firindere in Tokat. Villagers, who suspected BF, informed of the situation to the Municipality Agriculture department. Village mukhtar Rahmi Turgut stated that their village was not effected by BF in the past years, and that they are expecting the arrivals of the officials to make the necessary tests. Villagers, who were afraid that their chickens would be culled, did not want to inform the authorities.

The above translation describes a suspect H5N1 outbreak in Turkey. This report is similar to reports from adjacent Azerbaijan. Although western Turkey had confirmed H5N1 in October, 2005, large wild bird outbreaks were denied at this time last year.

However, Turkey subsequently acknowledge that there were H5N1 outbreaks in eastern Turkey in December, 2005 and Egypt recently released the Qinghai H5N1 sequence from a teal which was also isolated in December, 2005. Although Azerbaijan did not acknowledged outbreaks prior to February, 2006, there were several human cluster in Azerbaijan as well as massive die offs of birds in February that were H5N1 positive.

The reports of suspect H5N1 cases in Turkey are cause for concern, as is the lack of H5N1 reports from countries in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.

**AlaskaDenise** · December 5, 2006, 03:36 PM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Zkurmas:

Are people in Turkey keeping their flocks "under cover"?

What is being done, as individuals or agencies, to prevent a repeat of last year's events?

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**Theresa42** · December 5, 2006, 05:24 PM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by zkurmus

Villagers, who were afraid that their chickens would be culled, did not want to inform the authorities.

Thanks, z!

D*mn. I thought people would've learned better from last time 'round.

**Sharpe** · December 5, 2006, 05:39 PM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by Theresa42

Thanks, z!

D*mn. I thought people would've learned better from last time 'round.

No, T, that's not right--it's exactly the opposite. It's a clear pattern I've noticed. If an area has had a bird flu outbreak in the past--that has affected tourism, poultry, etc., that area, which includes both the villagers and the authorities, is far more likely to cover up and deny any new bird flu outbreaks, even if they result in people dying, etc. In fact, they will be willing to deny that anything's wrong at all costs and beyond any reason. The ultimate consequences of such behavior may very well be devastating.

**Theresa42** · December 5, 2006, 06:49 PM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by zkurmus

I cannot find the direct link to Hurriyet newspapers article....

Here, I think, is the Hurriyet article:

Tokat’ta şüpheli tavuk ölümleri

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/5541430.asp?m=1&gid=112&srid=3432&oid=2

Tokat’a bağlı Fırındere Köyü’nde, son bir hafta içerisinde 15 tavuk öldü.

**zkurmus** · December 6, 2006, 04:46 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by Theresa42

Here, I think, is the Hurriyet article:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/55...rid=3432&oid=2

yep - that's the one..

As for the other posts, I don't know whether people are hiding their flocks - it seems possible, and natural on their parts. Although people were compensated for their culled livestock last year, the impact of losing them both economically and from a traditional point of view made them very upset.

However, the distinction I see from last year, are frequent warnings on national TV channels, and newspapers as well as pamphlets, brochures and posters plus educational information given in schools, is that the government, and especially the Protection and Control directorate has their hands on the issue..

Even in areas like Istanbul, where I live, and in schools with children who have no contact with any animals save for their goldfish, such as my son who started first grade this year, the educational videos and classes are included in the curriculum.

So, we'll hope that if there are any outbreaks, not only we will know about it, but also will get through it with no casualties.

Regards to all, and will keep you posted if anything new comes up, z.

**Theresa42** · December 6, 2006, 06:32 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by zkurmus

However, the distinction I see from last year, are frequent warnings on national TV channels, and newspapers as well as pamphlets, brochures and posters plus educational information given in schools, is that the government, and especially the Protection and Control directorate has their hands on the issue..

That's good news!

Originally posted by zkurmus

So, we'll hope that if there are any outbreaks, not only we will know about it, but also will get through it with no casualties.

I hope so, too -- I'm sure we all do!

**Oric** · December 7, 2006, 09:39 AM

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These are reader's comments below (on the website) I think their point of view is actually more dangerous and shows the ignorant human nature

# İLİN?SİZ M?DEHALE
BİLİN?SİZ YAPTIĞIMIZ HAYVANLARI İTLAF ETMEK ?OĞU DENGEYİ BOZDU B?Y?K ?R?MCEKLER KENELER VE BAKALIM DAHA NELER ?IKACAK BİZ T?RKLER HEMEN KARA D?ZEN İŞ YAPIYORUZ CANLI HAYVANLARI G?M?YORUZ VE YAYGARAYI İYİ KOPARIP HARİKA PANİK YAPMAKTA VE OLANI HEMEN UNUTMAKTA D?NYADA ?ZERİMİZE BİR MİLLET DAHA İNANIN BANA HEN?Z YOK OZAMAN BİR AIDS Lİ ?IKTI DİYE T?M İNSANLARI ?LD?RELİM NE DERSİNİZ
02 Aralık 2006 12:37 - etem doğanay
# u.m.u.t
Bu kuş gribi sadece t?rkiyede varmış izlenimi yaratmayın:
Ge?tiğimiz sene yunanistanda, rusyada, japonyada, ingilterede ve avustralyada toplam 110 kişi hayatını kaybetti hangimiz biliyoruz..
Ama d?rt kişi (ikisi kesin değil)nin ?l?m? {her g?n trafik kazalarında ortalama 3,45 kişiyi kaybediyoruz} ?? milyon turistin gelmemesine ve 4 milyon kanatlı hayvanın haksız bir şekilde kıyımına sebep oldu..

First comment says : "We cull the animals and tip of the balance of nature, when we kill the chickens we get Crimean Congo fever carrier fleas (We had over 30 cases this summer - Oric) .. So if one person turns out to be a HIV carrier should we kill all humans .."

Second comment : "Turkey was not the only country with H5N1 last year but because it got so much publicity we lost 4 Billion USD (tourism) revenues .. Why do we report these incidents anyway ? NO ONE (reffering to Greece, Bulgaria, Russia, Syria) DOES ANYWAY"

**Oric** · December 7, 2006, 09:44 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

Originally posted by niman

Yes, keep us posted. There is little doubt that H5N1 is already in Turkey. It is simply a mattor of who will report what and when.

I doubt that ... H5N1 is not proven to be persistently (all year round) carried in local bird fauna like Thailand or Indonesia, but we are located under major migration paths so especially around this time of the year we get bombarded with virus loaded droppings.

**hawkeye** · December 7, 2006, 10:18 AM

Re: From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat

I was able to find a free Turkish->English->Turkish Translation Application. The text from the first article came out garbled, I think it has something to do with the font translation via copy/paste...but might be useful for future news stories and/or other news sources.
http://ingtur.org/download1.php

Once you run the application, right-click to select the translation method.

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