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    Telephones are expected to hold up better than other forms of communication in a mass fatality medical disaster according to reports that I have read. My question is: Could this sort of communication as described in the article below be done now days? I am not that technical in the area of communication expertise but since land line communication is expected to be more sustainable in a mass fatality medical crisis, it would seem most practical to have this sort to communication available not only for worship services but for all kinds of meeting and even funerals since there will be a great number of and desire for funerals regularly.

    Can funeral calls be done for say 50-100 families all at the same time? Could a conference funeral be done with loved ones in say 10-20 different locations / parts of country or even world? Would it be less demanding of the telephone system to have a recorded service / funeral and then have it put on tape at the worship center that individuals could call when able to listen to an inspirational message, a mini worship service or funeral? HOw expensive will all this be on a faith based center? Economics will be a consideration since most economic support will be very limited since the centers will be shut down.

    I know that some faith centers have a telephone line that is dedicated for individuals to call in to receive a 'thought for the day? message. How expensive is that and what is needed in equipment using electricity to expand that for funeral conference calls?

    Pandemics cause a great deal of death and thus cause unimaginable complex and compounded bereavement and grief issues for the individual families as well as for the community at large. That is a significant reason why the Spanish Flu of 1918 was not discussed very much after the incident was the unhealthy reaction to the pandemic experience. One of the ways to help people to cope with a disaster death experience that is going to be felt for an extended period of time during the pandemic and post-trauma is to have some sort of funeral or memorial service at or near the time of death. This will be especially true for those areas that will resort to having mass graves or mass cremations with no formal funeral or memorial service. There may also be no grave markers as a means of final tribute to the individual who has died since there will be bodies that will not have identification on them. Pastors are not going to have the fuel for their cars to be traveling even to everyone?s home to do a funeral outside the house like it was often done in 1918. People and pastors do not live close to the worship centers like it was back then. Does any one have any information on this? Additionally, travel can cause the spread of the flu as was noted in the actions of mail carriers in rural areas in 1918, so transportation needs to be as restricted as much as possible in sheltering ? in - place situations. If there are civil disturbances or increased theft then the pastor?s car would be subject to violence and the clergy harmed possibly meaning need for unavailable medical care.

    I would certainly appreciate all the brainstorming and ideas possible.
    Thanks
    T Modesto

    Church Service by Telephone During "Flu" Ban.


    Telephony, January 4, 1919, pages 19:

    Although public church services were forbidden because of influenza, this did not prevent members of the Jackson Street Christian church in Muncie, Ind., from listening to the usual Sunday sermon on the morning of December 22 by Rev. F. E. Smith, their pastor.
    At 10:30 o'clock, through the co-operation of the local telephone company management, the telephones of all subscribers who wished, were connected with the telephone in the church, to which a special sounder was attached. The church organist also played a few numbers.

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    T Modesto-
    Below are my comments, however, please keep in mind I can only speak from my experience. Also, my impression is that companies that offer these services leverage the internet's capabilities, in order to reduce cost. I would venture a guess that it's possible that it might be very hard to a system that doesn't rely on the internet at some level. Anyway, I hope the comments help.


    Can funeral calls be done for say 50-100 families all at the same time?
    Yes. Typcially the meeting is "hosted" by a service, everyone is given a toll-free number to call, and it is essentially just like the old "party-line" calls. The calls could be set up so that it is broadcast only, thus avoiding any confusion as to whom is speaking.

    Also, with today's technology it maybe possible to support 100s if not 1000s.


    HOw expensive will all this be on a faith based center?
    Cost would be determined on the package and I would assume is directly proportional to the number of simultaneous users.

    I know that some faith centers have a telephone line that is dedicated for individuals to call in to receive a 'thought for the day? message. How expensive is that and what is needed in equipment using electricity to expand that for funeral conference calls?
    To have multiple people call at the same time would require that the center be equiped with multiple lines.

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      thanks for the info. I'll look into companies that do that. My concern is that these are I believe internet services, am I correct in my understanding? If that is the case then if the internet is down or the companies that provide the service to individuals is down then that could be a problem. If it just telephone companies then that might be a possibility

      Can you think of any other was to have funeral services under those conditions?
      TM

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        I think there are conference call services available through major phone providers.
        "We are in this breathing space before it happens. We do not know how long that breathing space is going to be. But, if we are not all organizing ourselves to get ready and to take action to prepare for a pandemic, then we are squandering an opportunity for our human security"- Dr. David Nabarro

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          Yeah, you should probably start with your current phone provider. Be sure to ask them if they rely on the internet, if so, what do they do incase it goes down (they will probably laugh and say that the internet can not go down.)

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            Hi All
            How about radio broadcasts? They can target specific areas. It's reliability depends on the people or lack of people manning the station and its transmitters and the number of people who have radios in their homes or working in their cars. The stations would probably be doing a lot of emergency broad cast information notices anyway. I'm not sure if it would be expensive or go under the heading of Public Service, that may depend on the individual station.

            It seems so impersonal for a funeral but considering the dangers of further spread of a pandemic it is better than nothing and may give some comfort and closure.
            We were put on this earth to help and take care of one another.

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              radio is good when there is electricity but when out so is the radio station since most do not have major back up generators. Its a good idea really when there is electricity.
              Thanks
              TM

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                I remember the quip, but not who to attibute it to: From the 19th century to the 20th century to the 19th century.
                It feels like that when discussing gatherings at home around the radio.
                21st Century Omega Man

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                  The big problem is that few people still maintain landlines served with plug-in telephones. Most folks I know use either cell phones or cordless, or both, at home. I have two landlines, each leading to both a plugged-in phone and a cordless.

                  So I think such funerals would be poorly attended.

                  I have confirmed that the big telcos maintain massive batteries at key locations. These take over telephone service the moment a blackout occurs, and they are backed with big generators that the companies maintain independently of the grid. Short of a total prolonged collapse of our poer grid--more than a week or two at a time, as opposed to sporadic blackouts or shorter ones--landline users should be okay on that front.

                  Finally, I envision a time when there is no way to dispose of bodies. Urban residents will be trying to inter loved ones in public parks. Nasty.

                  Be well,
                  DA

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                    Originally posted by Gnosis
                    I remember the quip, but not who to attibute it to: From the 19th century to the 20th century to the 19th century.
                    It feels like that when discussing gatherings at home around the radio.
                    This seems feasible for extreme situations. There could be a somewhat generic funeral over all available media at a specific time. Hopefully they could add names of those they knew to be recently deceased.

                    It's certainly preferable to NO funeral.

                    .
                    "The next major advancement in the health of American people will be determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself"-- John Knowles, Former President of the Rockefeller Foundation

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                      When the ice storm happened in Qu?bec at the beginning of 1998, it became evident that what was most reliable was the radio. A battery radio is an off to get tune to the dedicated frequences for recomfort in a crisis.

                      I was aware of the making of some radio capsules with pragmatic tips on how to cope medically and psychologically, there will be probably some open lines for some interactions.

                      Public broadcasting could indeed be used locally for funerals, but I presume it will have to be coordonated locally.

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                      • #12
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                        Yes this is now a practical solution.

                        Phone conferencing companies are a growing business. We use one to connect up to 100 different phones around the US and the world at once for a one-way lecture or two-way chat. This costs about $.12 per minute for each line.

                        The internet has free chat software such as Ventrilo that allow 100 or more people to receive lectures or two-way chat as well.

                        I used Ventrilo tonight to do an internet lecture with about 50 hookups. Works great.

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                          Thanks Alfalfacentari.

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                            Mortuary Puts Funerals on Webcasts


                            Northern Ireland Undertakers Pioneer Webcast Funerals for Far-Flung Mourners

                            By SHAWN POGATCHNIK

                            BELFAST, Northern Ireland Mar 12, 2007 (AP)? In Ireland, they bury people quickly and now they're harnessing the speed of the Internet to help families grieve across the globe.

                            A Northern Ireland mortuary director has launched a pioneering service of broadcasting funerals on its Web site for mourners too distant, ill or busy to make it in person. It's reckoned to be the first of its kind worldwide.

                            "We have one camera to give you the perspective of the minister looking out to the congregation, one showing the hearse and cortege of mourners outside, and one that looks like you're sitting in amidst the mourners," said Jim Clarke of Clarke & Son undertakers in Newtownards, an eastern suburb of Belfast.

                            The family-owned firm, founded in 1918 by Clarke's grandfather, began experimenting with streaming audio and video of funeral services two years ago at its other mortuary and chapel in another nearby suburb, Bangor.

                            It is launching new software and a suite of cameras at its second funeral home in Newtownards this week a development that, to the surprise of Clarke, has spurred international interest.

                            Clarke said more funeral homes should take advantage of the Internet, particularly in places like Ireland, where funerals typically happen within three days of a death and a tradition of emigration can mean cousins from Calgary to Canberra.

                            "It used to be that we'd be asked: Is there any chance you can take a tape recording of the service for our friends in Canada? We always did that. Now we can offer so much more," he said.

                            About 20 percent of the company's clients use the Web broadcast, or about 50 funerals so far at the two chapels beside the mortuaries, according to Clarke. It carries no additional charge.

                            He said the service last year proved invaluable for two brothers one living in New Zealand, the other in the United States who had traveled back to Northern Ireland to visit an ill relative who then died.

                            "They said, `There's no way we can get our wives and families here at such short notice,' and we had the solution to hand. It really removes a burden for some families," Clarke said.

                            Just last week, he said, the funeral home negotiated with an internet service provider in New Zealand to upgrade one woman's connection temporarily to high-speed broadband so that she could see her sister's funeral without freezing screens or dropped audio.

                            Not just anybody can log on to eavesdrop on the grief. The service requires special software downloads and password access controlled by Clarke & Son.

                            "We're trying to use the latest technology to help families in a time of need," Clarke said. "We're not trying to encourage morbid curiosity. There is far too much of that on the Internet already."

                            On the Net:

                            Clarke & Son on-line funerals, http://www.sclarkeandson.co.uk/services/online/

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                              The family-owned firm, founded in 1918 by Clarke's grandfather, began experimenting with streaming audio and video of funeral services two years ago at its other mortuary and chapel in another nearby suburb, Bangor.
                              Interesting founding year. May also be an interestingly coincidental year for adding this new approach.

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