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  • Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]


    Excellent article for those trying to understand the many complex reasons why cases may be being under detected/ unreported. Well worth reading in full

    01:03 PM ET
    China's bird flu mystery

    By Laurie Garrett, Special to CNN

    Snip

    But the disease drama now is unfolding in five large eastern China cities with a combined population of 48 million. This is a decidedly urban flu, its human victims identified to date span from ages 4 years to 87, and [B]for most of the cases there is no obvious explanation for how they contracted their infections, or why their loved ones, co-workers and neighbors apparently did not.

    Information released to date by Chinese health and agricultural authorities boils down to:

    - Four of the flu viruses found in deceased Shanghai, Anhui and Hangzhou patients have been fully genetically sequenced, and those details have been posted on a transparent website for all the world to scrutinize.

    - Those flu virologists that have examined the sequences say H7N9 – which for millennia has only infected birds – has now mutated into a mammalian virus. There are stretches of RNA genetic material that are exclusively found in flu viruses that infect mammals.

    - But the Chinese insist those thousands of bloated pig carcasses that were floating down Shanghai’s Huangpu River when this outbreak began were coincidental occurrences – the animals did not have H7N9 flu. No satisfactory explanation for the pigs’ deaths has been offered.

    - Some pigeons, doves, ducks and chickens caged for sale in the Shanghai poultry markets tested positive for the virus, but showed no signs of illness. Yesterday in Shanghai some 20,000 of them were killed, in hopes of stopping putative spread from birds-to-people.

    - There is no indication that H7N9 is spread from person-to-person, or that a lot of Chinese are carrying the virus without outward symptoms of flu.

    None of this is making sense.

    Looming over all other questions in this outbreak is the Denominator Problem. Typically, when a dangerous disease breaks out in people for the primary time it’s noticed first in hospital emergency admissions, as deathly ill individuals gasp for air. These acute cases are counted, and [B]as their numbers climb it’s possible to get a dangerously distorted view of disease severity. As I write these words, Chinese authorities have reported 16 confirmed cases of H7N9 infection, all critical; six have proven fatal. And no infected-but-mild flu cases or asymptomatic individuals have been identified. So it seems this H7N9 produces life-threatening illness in 100 percent of infected humans, killing nearly half of them.

    But those numbers must be wrong. When H1N1 swine flu broke out in Mexico authorities were terrified by a sudden wave of critically ill and dying pneumonia patients that swamped emergency rooms all over the country.

    Snip

    As it turned out, the denominator was enormous, so that for every seriously ill swine flu case there were thousands of mild and asymptomatic infections.

    Snip

    So far, China has not provided any genuine denominator. This is most likely due to one of three things.

    First, the actual blood test used to identify infections is overly specific, missing infections. So infected, but not ailing, people that are controlling the viruses in their bodies so well that very few microbes are present in each tested droplet, may be missed.

    Snip

    The most recent announcements from WHO and Chinese authorities indicate most of the “testing” of close contacts of ailing or deceased H7N9 patients has featured interviews, not actual blood tests. I

    Snip

    There are three reasons why many Chinese might choose to hide an illness if it weren’t obviously life-threatening.

    First, during the SARS epidemic the People’s Liberation Army took control of most patient care outside of the initial Guangzhou outbreak of December 2002, placing all fever patients in confinement. Those not held in military facilities were quarantined for weeks either inside key hospitals or their homes. For some the isolation and fear was so great that they leapt from high story windows to escape, or bribed their ways out of confinement if they were wealthy enough to do so.

    Though the government has announced that patient care for H7N9 should be free, healthcare can be bankrupting in China.

    Snip

    During the SARS epidemic I spoke with many patients’ families that had been assured the government would cover the costs for their loved ones’ care, but wept openly as they described doctors and nurses demanding huge payments, or else. Typically, the threat was without more money, your loved one will simply be left on his own in isolation, without medicine, without food. These stories circulated widely in 2003, and resonate today.

    A final, perhaps more complicated reason family, co-workers and friends of the 16 H7N9 sufferers may not admit to experiencing flu-like symptoms is China’s air pollution.

    Snip

    It would be easy to miss a mild flu when feeling lousy, and flu-like, day after day, thanks to the pollution.

    This Denominator Problem is the key to understanding what is going on.

    Snip

    My Council on Foreign Relations Colleague Yanzhong Huang argues that, “the post-Mao policy process has witnessed a shift from ‘bandwagon’ to ‘buck-passing,’ which encourages strategic disobedience and policy shirking. For this reason, China’s response to public health emergencies may continue to be bedeviled by lingering problems of under-reporting, misinformation, and inaction.”

    On March 19 a Chinese government agency issued the following statement, which ended up on the social media site, Weibo: “The Shanghai Huangpu River dead pig incident is already being dealt with effectively. Related follow-up coverage should follow Xinhua wire copy and information issued by authoritative local departments. The media are not to send journalists to Jiaxing or similar locations to investigate, nor to sensationalize or comment on the issue.”

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    Re: Laurie Garrett Article: N7H9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

    I can't resist to react to these words.

    Despite this new virus may represent an excellent pandemi candidate, the fact that a number of confirmed patients were identified in a global trade and travel hub makes the 'censorship' version least credible.

    For the simple reason that a readily transmissible influenza virus will land by plane everywhere from Shanghai to NY, or San Francisco or Los Angles or London in time for the next business meeting.

    When we are talking about Asian megacities highly interconnected with the rest of the world, even the most treacheaus dictator will not be able to keep the doors closed for a germ like flu.

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    • #3
      Re: Laurie Garrett Article: N7H9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

      Originally posted by Giuseppe Michieli View Post
      I can't resist to react to these words.

      Despite this new virus may represent an excellent pandemi candidate, the fact that a number of confirmed patients were identified in a global trade and travel hub makes the 'censorship' version least credible.

      For the simple reason that a readily transmissible influenza virus will land by plane everywhere from Shanghai to NY, or San Francisco or Los Angles or London in time for the next business meeting.

      When we are talking about Asian megacities highly interconnected with the rest of the world, even the most treacheaus dictator will not be able to keep the doors closed for a germ like flu.
      While there is no incorrect statements in the article by Laurie Garrett, there is no new information. Ms. Garrett's occupation is a writer and author. The new Bird Flu (H7N9) has become a hot media topic in the past week. Bloggers and science writers have to address it.

      The fact is we have a rising count of infected cases, all isolated from each other and no clear understanding of how these individuals became infected. And, as is typical of novel disease infections, we have no clear picture of how many mild or asymptomatic H7N9 cases are occurring. This allows bloggers and commentators to produce stories without adding any substance to our knowledge of the current outbreak or the potential for a future pandemic.

      As Giuseppe and other FluTrackers members have noted, the pandemic potential of this virus will only be known if clusters start to be reported, HCWs start to become infected, or cases become recognized in other countries besides China. Then the bloggers and science writers will really have something to report and comment on.
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      • #4
        Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

        I think the point of this article by Laurie Garrett was to highlight that we do not know the Denominator when looking at the apparent CFR of the N7H9 cases- i.e how many mild or asymptomatic infections there may be, and the important aspect is that Laurie goes on to discuss a number of very valid reasons why individuals / contacts may not admit to flu like symptoms during interview, which may be producing a skewed picture as to the severity of this virus.

        It is unfortunate that we cannot post articles in full. Snips can lead to a misread of the pertinent points - and this article is worth reading in full to place these comments in context.

        It is also worth noting that Laurie Garrett is not just a journalist:

        Editor's note: Laurie Garrett is a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and senior fellow for global health and the Council on Foreign Relations.

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        • #5
          Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

          I do not question the high profile of the above mentioned article.

          I want to point out only that the emersion of a novel influenza virus with somewhat better binding affinity with human respiratory cells in a global trade & travel hub is not an issue of censorship or dictatorship.

          Chinese are well aware of the fact that foreign countries would be first to isolate this new variant virus in travelers returning from China and thus acted accordingly, sounding alarm when they were sure situation cannot be put under control silently and promptly.

          H7 was involved in other instances of human infection, even recently in Mexico and previously in the Netherlands.

          The Dutch cluster of cases could have resulted in a widespread outbreak if the virus should have adapted quickly. Before health authorities could have isolated all cases, the germ would have infected too many people and becoming uncontrollable. The event instead wad dead ended.

          Now, it would be nice if global health agencies acted in a proactive manner, testing suspicious cases and treating them in isolation care.

          Clearly, if h2h this new H7N9 virus represents an excellent pandemic strain.

          And, finally, if it is really readily transmissible, I would ask how many cases have already landed elsewhere in the world?

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          • #6
            Re: Laurie Garrett Article: N7H9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

            Originally posted by Laidback Al View Post
            While there is no incorrect statements in the article by Laurie Garrett, there is no new information. Ms. Garrett's occupation is a writer and author. The new Bird Flu (H7N9) has become a hot media topic in the past week. Bloggers and science writers have to address it.

            The fact is we have a rising count of infected cases, all isolated from each other and no clear understanding of how these individuals became infected. And, as is typical of novel disease infections, we have no clear picture of how many mild or asymptomatic H7N9 cases are occurring. This allows bloggers and commentators to produce stories without adding any substance to our knowledge of the current outbreak or the potential for a future pandemic.

            As Giuseppe and other FluTrackers members have noted, the pandemic potential of this virus will only be known if clusters start to be reported, HCWs start to become infected, or cases become recognized in other countries besides China. Then the bloggers and science writers will really have something to report and comment on.
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            I agree.

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            • #7
              Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

              the Dutch virus was entirely wildbird,mallard-like while this one
              has 6 segments that evolved in chickens for > 10 years.
              I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
              my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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              • #8
                Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                how would you hide all these asymptomatic cases in a city like Shanghai ?
                And why ? Just to win a few days for preparations without panic
                (while losing credibility)

                There were also reporters interviewing the contacts
                I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                • #9
                  Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                  The article makes the assumption that this virus behaves like other influenza viruses in transmission. I dont know that for sure.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                    True, but in the absence of any other credible theories, that has to be the logical starting point since it is attacking the respiratory system and causing pneumonia in some cases. In other words, the symptoms and course of illness are expressing themselves in a similar manner and timeframe as other severe cases of influenza. This suggests that it transmits in a similar manner as other influenza viruses.

                    If transmission of this new virus is substantially different from other flu viruses, then what other modes of transmission are available - ingestion, wound entry, dermal absorption, etc.?

                    Originally posted by jflorida View Post
                    The article makes the assumption that this virus behaves like other influenza viruses in transmission. I dont know that for sure.
                    "I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much." - Mother Teresa of Calcutta

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                    • #11
                      Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                      But I would also note the rather long period form first infection to more severe stages. Is the lung infection primary ?

                      Also what about dry inhalation and ingestion? There could be more than one means. Traditional Influenza depends on droplet stability and pH/ionic strength(?). I dont know if that is relevant here or to what extent.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                        Garrett wrote:

                        > have been fully genetically sequenced, and those details have been posted on a transparent
                        > website for all the world to scrutinize.

                        GISAID is not public and transparent only to members

                        > H7N9 ? which for millennia has only infected birds

                        we don't know about millenia. At most ~150 years

                        > pig carcasses

                        we saw those before in China. One million of them in 2007

                        > None of this is making sense.

                        ??

                        > So it seems this H7N9 produces life-threatening illness in 100 percent of infected humans,
                        > killing nearly half of them.
                        > But those numbers must be wrong. When H1N1 swine flu broke out in Mexico authorities were
                        > terrified by a sudden wave of critically ill and dying pneumonia patients that swamped emergency
                        > rooms all over the country.

                        H1N1 was not so new to humans. H5N1 was another example of high virulence in humans,
                        so this does happen.
                        Now we don't have these many critically ill people in China that should show that H7N9
                        isn't widespread in humans, yet Garrett concludes the exact opposite.

                        > As it turned out, the denominator was enormous, so that for every seriously ill
                        > swine flu case there were thousands of mild and asymptomatic infections.

                        not so with H5N1. The spread in Mexico was much more dynamic, exponential growth

                        > There are three reasons why many Chinese might choose to hide an illness
                        > if it weren?t obviously life-threatening.

                        it's not so easy to hide fever and work absenteism. And they gave interviews to journalists.

                        ... then she compares it with SARS which was quite different and not influenza while
                        still not mentioning H5N1.

                        They were hoping SARS would burn out, while there is little hope to stop or hide an emerging
                        influenza-wave.

                        > not admit to experiencing flu-like symptoms is China?s air pollution.

                        so, was/is there unusual air-pollution in Shanghai at that time ? Why does that
                        stop people from reporting ILI ? In Mexico it was different .... they used the opportunity to
                        complain to reporters about bad conditions near pig farms.


                        she completely ignores the genetical differences and subsequent reassortments
                        I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                        my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                        • #13
                          Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                          Attributing the serverity of the H7N9 infections to the novelty of the virus does not make sense. Over 100 people prior to this outbreak have had confirmed H7 infections around the world in the past ten years (Netherlands, Canada, Mexico, etc.) and most of them were mild. Only one of them was fatal.

                          There's only two options to explain the severity. Either there are thousands of missed milder cases and we are only seeing the most severe ones as we did at the start of the H1N1 pandemic, or like H5N1, there's something in the virus that makes it much more severe in humans than "regular" flu. I haven't seen any evidence of that second explanation in anyone's analysis of the genetics of this virus.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                            Or through a route of exposure.

                            Avian influenza viruses may infect intestinal cells as well as airway epithelium cells, even in the case of absence of polybasic cleavage HA site, as H7N9.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Laurie Garrett Article: H7N9 [China's Bird Flu Mystery]

                              NL H7N7 was quite different to H7N9
                              More different than seasonal H1N1 and pandemic H1N1 in 2009

                              6 inner segments are poultry, not mallard

                              but yes, it had been novel before and not severe
                              (as H5N1)

                              and it is even low-path and has PB1-F2 66N
                              The PB1-F2 protein of influenza A virus can contribute to viral pathogenesis of influenza virus strains. Of note, an N66S amino acid mutation in PB1-F2 has been shown to increase the pathogenesis associated with H5N1 Hong Kong/1997 and H1N1 Brevig ...
                              I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                              my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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