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    Many have noted that the symptomology and epidimiology reported for the black plague closely resembles an influenza type illness instead of bubonic plague transmited by a vector, mice and rat fleas.

    Has anyone else read the books that made such headlines last year that were mentioned as Bush's summer reading list?

    A refresher of the titles:

    Students who struggled with difficult summer reading assignments had company - President Bush took three intellectually challenging books with him for his vacation reading.

    Prominent among them was "Salt: A World History" by Mark Kurlansky, a chronicle of salt's incredible importance in world affairs in ways that oil occupies the world's attention today.

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    According to the Los Angeles Times, the White House listed two other books on the president's summer reading schedule: "Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar" by Edvard Radzinsky and "The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History" by John M. Barry.

    All three books deal with history. "The president enjoys reading and learning about history," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told the Times.

    The Times took note of the striking analogies between salt and oil, explaining: "For most of recorded history, salt was synonymous with wealth. It established trade routes and cities. Adventurers searched for it. Merchants hoarded it. Governments taxed it. Nations went to war over it. More than four centuries ago, Queen Elizabeth I warned of England's growing dependence on foreign salt. France's salt tax, the gabelle, was one of the grievances that gave rise to the Revolution of 1789."

    Salt lost its flavor as a precious commodity by the time of the 20th century, when refrigeration robbed it of value as a preservative and the world became aware that the stuff was everywhere.

    "It seems very silly now, all of the struggles for salt," the book's author, Kurlansky, told the Times. "It's quite probable that some day, people will read about our struggles for oil and have the same reaction."

    Kurlansky, a self-described "virulent" Bush critic, expressed surprise that the president is reading his work. "My first reaction was, 'Oh, he reads books?'" he told the Times, adding, "What I find fascinating, and it's probably a positive thing about the White House, is they don't seem to do any research about the writers when they pick the books."

    The president's choice of Barry's book on the 1918-19 influenza pandemic that killed an astounding 21 million people worldwide, including 500,000 Americans, is not surprising. The author of "The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History" has been frequently consulted by the administration on the potential for another similar pandemic striking the world.

    Barry, another Bush critic, told the Times he has been investigating what steps public officials could take to lessen the severity of a flu pandemic. In his book Barry charges that the 1918 outbreak was worsened in America because of the government's attempts to minimize its significance, partly to avoid undermining efforts to win World War I.

    "One lesson is to absolutely take it seriously," Barry told the Times. "I'm not a great fan of the Bush administration, but I think they are doing that. The Clinton administration I don't think paid much attention to it as a threat."

    The third book the president took with him to the Crawford ranch, "Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar" by Edvard Radzinsky, is a history of the troubled reign of the tsar who ruled Russia from 1855 until he was assassinated in a terrorist bombing in 1881. Alexander was known as the "Czar Liberator," having freed 23 million Russian slaves in 1861, two years before Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

    His reforms sparked violent reactions from both the left and the right, creating a leftist political movement that employed terrorism including a wave of killings and bombings.

    "We, Russia, created the first great terrorist organization in the world," Radzinsky told the Times during a phone interview from Moscow. "We are the father of terror, not Muslims."

    After surviving six attempts on his life, Alexander II was assassinated by a group of anarchists who tossed home-made bombs at him as he was riding in his carriage on the streets of St. Petersburg.

    Radzinsky told the Times he assumed Bush had drawn the connection to the terrorists of today. "Very noble young people who dreamed about the future of Russia became killers, because blood destroys souls," Radzinsky said. "That for me is the most important lesson."

    Peter Osnos, of the PublicAffairs publishing house in New York, told the Times that the books Bush took with him to Crawford represented a sophisticated reading list, even for an intellectually curious chief executive.

    "It's a fair bet that George W. Bush is the only person in the entire United States who chose those three books to read on vacation," Osnos told the Times, adding that "There's nothing on that list that is a beach read, or even a busman's holiday."



    anyway, I have read the 1918 book, duh, and am now reading the history of salt book. If any of you think a major kill rate pandemic is coming, you have to read it.

    It is one of the best world history books I have ever read. It deals with war, marketing, business development, politics, and food. Go out and get it.

    Anyway, I just read a passage that mentioned in passing a village that survived, UNSCATHED, the Black Plague. Turns out, this village specialized in a specific wine and salted fish. I'll quote from the book tomorrow.


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    Re: Black Plague - 14th century

    A teaser, eh?

    Gaudia Ray in one of his posts on the 10th plague of Biblical times mentioned that he'd read that the Black Death was likely a hemorrhagic fever. The description of the Black Death symptoms were more in line with that than with bubonic plague. He said it had only been recently, historically speaking, that medical folks had changed the attribution to rats and fleas and bubonic plague.

    One thing I've wondered about since I read that... is connected with AIDS survivors, well with those -- who when exposed to HIV -- either did not get it or got it then had a reversal in immune markers as though they were never exposed. One thing several of the survivors in England had in common was ancestors from a particular village.... (I think I remember this right, this is a foggy memory but it was on PBS, maybe NOVA, years ago.) (I had a gay friend years ago who had seroconverted for HIV then within a year had tested negative. I'd always wondered how that could be. So did he...)

    Some anthropological epidemiologists researched the mystery of the British people and the Black Death survivors.

    The epidemiologists checked the cemetarty for names and DNA from the bones the dug up. From dates, they determined who survived and who did not and how they were related to present day people of interest. They got oral family histories.

    During the plague, villagers there fell in one of three categories: Some did not get ill at all. They collected bodies and did other chores to take care of the ill and dying. Some got very ill for a brief time but recovered. Some got ill and were dead within a day or two. The information was there in the cemetary and in the family stories.

    Long story short, the ancestors of those who were exposed to HIV (key) but never developed antibodies, were missing some two kinds of configurations (key holes) on the surface of their T-8 lymphocytes. They had a double allele that was different from the genetic norm. (Those with the norm died. They also didn't reproduce in the next generation...)

    The ancestors of those who were exposed to HIV (key), seroconverted and then lost the antibodies some time later had one surface configuration (key hole) on the surface of their T8 lymphocytes.

    The point is that there were genetic differences (probably as a result of those who survived previous waves or whose ancestors survived previous pandemics. The genotype was expressed in phenotype -- resulted in physical differences on cell surfaces -- generations later that indicated who would get HIV and who wouldn't -- or would but only for a short time.

    I hope I remember correctly. It was a while ago... Makes me wonder what persists in the human population now that might cause one to fall ill or not...

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      Re: Black Plague - 14th century

      From Salt - A world History by Mark Kurlansky

      page 159

      On the Mediterranean coast, west of Aigues-Mortes, in Catalan country near the Spanish border, was the fishing village of Collioure. The people of Collioure lived on selling wine and salted fish. They fished anchovies from May to October on small wooden boats that could sail over the rocks of the shallow harbor, powered by a lateen sail, a triangle of canvas gracefully draped from the mast on a cross spar at a sixty-degree angle. The design dated back to the Phoenicians, but in Collioure they called their fishing boats catalans and painted them in brilliant promary colors.

      In October, as the anchovy season ended, the wine harvest began on the terraced hills above the town. The wine, called Banyuls, has a dark spicy sweetness that is a perfect counterbalance to the salted anchovies....

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      In the fourteenth century, an epidemic of bubonic plague, whose delirious victoms die within days in excruciating pain, swept through the continent, killing 75 million people - as much as half the population of Europe, according to some estimates. But the fishing village of Collioure was not touched, and it was widely believed that the town was immune because of the presence of huge stockpiles of salt for the anchovies.
      ...

      Originally posted by eladdie
      I'm not so sure it was the salt for the anchovies that saved them. The book, which is a history of salt and it is very clear salt and it's production was a major critcial infrastructure item to our ancestors, equal or even more important to society than electricity or oil is to today's economy, and salt and salt stockpiles would therefore be in abundance throughout Europe.

      So what saved this village from plague? As Mellie pointed out above, it may have been interbreeding genetics at play. It could have been the salt, or it may have been an example of that wine playing a preventative role in the disease. Wines back than were made for local consumption much more than extensive trade.

      Anyway, I thought it was an interesting datapoint you guys might like
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        Re: Black Plague - 14th century

        see chart of worldwide epidemics I posted at

        http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3884

        It's amazing how often there was a 90% or more death rate - usually from smallpox. But some of the bubonic plagues were combined with "sweats" - influenza.

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        "The next major advancement in the health of American people will be determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself"-- John Knowles, Former President of the Rockefeller Foundation

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