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Re: Canada: train quarantined; one person died, others have flu-like symptoms
Tests show no disease outbreak on Canadian train

Sat May 10, 2008

TORONTO (Reuters) - Lab exams confirmed on Saturday that there was no infectious disease outbreak on a cross-Canada train that was held in quarantine on Friday in northern Ontario after a passenger aboard died.

"An assessment of all passengers on a VIA Rail train from Vancouver to Toronto has been completed and results confirm that there was no outbreak of infectious disease," Ontario's Ministry of Health said in a statement.

The train, carrying 264 passengers and 30 crew members, was held for almost 10 hours near the tiny northern Ontario town of Foleyet on Friday after the sudden death of a woman, reported to be in her 60s.

Another woman on the trip suffered shortness of breath, while five other passengers traveling in a group exhibited influenza-like symptoms, raising suspicions of an outbreak and prompting health officials to quarantine the train.


Early reports of the death and scenes of emergency workers in hazardous material suits swarming the train brought back grim memories of the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Toronto, which killed dozens.

Some of the group of five passengers were ill before they boarded on May 7 in Jasper, Alberta, and lab results showed four of them tested positive for seasonal flu, officials said.

"All individuals seated in the vicinity of these five passengers were assessed. None have symptoms of influenza ... Another passenger on the train experiencing flu-like symptoms has tested positive for a cold virus," officials added.

Lab results for the woman who had displayed shortness of breath and was taken to a hospital near the city of Timmins were also negative for the flu and other respiratory illness.
The death of the woman is still under investigation, the health ministry said. "But an infectious disease as a cause of death has been ruled out."

VIA Rail's trans-Canada services are popular with tourists, many of whom board the train in the Pacific Coast city of Vancouver, British Columbia, or in Jasper, Alberta, for the spectacular journey through the Rocky Mountains.

The train arrived in Toronto on Saturday morning after resuming its journey late Friday afternoon.

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From Saturday's Globe and Mail
May 10, 2008 at 12:40 AM EDT
While it turned out to be a false alarm, the response of public health officials to an apparent outbreak of disease on a Via Rail train was a textbook example of how to react to an outbreak.

Around 9 a.m. yesterday, the Sudbury District Health Unit was notified of an unusual event on the Canadian – one woman dead and six others ill. The train was stopped in Foleyet, an isolated community in Northern Ontario.

Despite the remote location and unusual circumstances, public health was able to react within an hour. To contain the potential spread of disease, the sick were isolated in one car and other passengers quarantined, meaning they could not leave the train.

“The first thing you need – and the hardest thing to get – in these situations is information,” said Burgess Hawkins, manager of the environmental health division. “We didn't know what we were dealing with.”

Serendipitously, there was a doctor on the train able to monitor the health of the sick passengers.

Public health officials, the closest of whom was about 100 kilometres away in Timmins, made their way to the train. One passenger was airlifted to hospital. So were fluid samples from the others.

Lab tests were done. “It's a process of elimination,” Mr. Hawkins said. They tested for influenza, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV, a common respiratory ailment) and other viruses.

Meanwhile, federal, provincial and local officials were meeting by teleconference to exchange information and plan their response.

David Butler-Jones, Canada's chief public health officer, was in the operations centre in Ottawa – a facility designed to be the public nerve centre in the event of a pandemic outbreak, terrorist attack or natural disaster.

There was a series of teleconferences, again with an emphasis on “coms” (short for communications), Dr. Butler-Jones said. “You want to be transparent, but you also want to be accurate,” he said.

By mid afternoon, it was apparent there was no outbreak of infectious disease. Just a series of “confluent events” that raised alarm bells – one person dead of unknown causes, another with breathing problems and five others not feeling so well.

David Williams, Ontario's acting chief medical officer of health, delivered the news in a packed press conference. “Today went very well,” he said.

Dr. Williams was bombarded with questions from reporters suggesting public health officials overreacted.

But they acted by the book: Quickly, appropriately and professionally. It was a stark contrast to SARS, an outbreak whose response was later described as a “international embarrassment” by a blue-ribbon panel. Canada has invested a lot in pandemic preparedness over the past few years and the investment is paying off.

Officials in towns big and small routinely carry out exercises to prepare them to respond to public health crises.

“This incident gave us a good test of our systems and they turned out to be pretty good,” Mr. Hawkins said.

The reality too is that public health officials deal with outbreaks – suspected and real – all the time: in nursing homes, hospitals, schools and child-care centres.

But the unusual location, a train, attracted a lot of media attention.

Dr. Butler-Jones said the only surprise he had yesterday was how quickly the train incident became a national and even international story.

“But, in the end, I was really pleased with how everything turned out,” he said.

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Although it seems to be a succesful operation, a certain foggy versions commence to appear in the media wires. It was stated that no foreigners were onboard, and the presence of Australian was discarded. No influenza virus rapid tests positive results were reported. But see below: IOH.
At this point it is not clear:
a) type of rapid tests on ILI patients;
b) the timing of test procedures;
c) who performed tests;
d) nationality of passengers;
e) are there Australian among passenger?
f) Is the retired doctor really from Britain?
g) as one can see through FT thread updates, Australian presence was discarded in first instance; no influenza positive patients; no clear command-chain revealed.
h) is this incident an exercise?
i) it has really happened or not.

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Tests show no disease outbreak on Canadian train
Sat May 10, 2008 4:53pm EDT
TORONTO (Reuters) -

Lab exams confirmed on Saturday that there was no infectious disease outbreak on a cross-Canada train that was held in quarantine on Friday in northern Ontario after a passenger aboard died.

"An assessment of all passengers on a VIA Rail train from Vancouver to Toronto has been completed and results confirm that there was no outbreak of infectious disease," Ontario's Ministry of Health said in a statement.

The train, carrying 264 passengers and 30 crew members, was held for almost 10 hours near the tiny northern Ontario town of Foleyet on Friday after the sudden death of a woman, reported to be in her 60s.

Another woman on the trip suffered shortness of breath, while five other passengers traveling in a group exhibited influenza-like symptoms, raising suspicions of an outbreak and prompting health officials to quarantine the train.

Early reports of the death and scenes of emergency workers in hazardous material suits swarming the train brought back grim memories of the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Toronto, which killed dozens.

Some of the group of five passengers were ill before they boarded on May 7 in Jasper, Alberta, and lab results showed four of them tested positive for seasonal flu, officials said.

"All individuals seated in the vicinity of these five passengers were assessed. None have symptoms of influenza ... Another passenger on the train experiencing flu-like symptoms has tested positive for a cold virus," officials added.

Lab results for the woman who had displayed shortness of breath and was taken to a hospital near the city of Timmins were also negative for the flu and other respiratory illness.

The death of the woman is still under investigation, the health ministry said. "But an infectious disease as a cause of death has been ruled out."

VIA Rail's trans-Canada services are popular with tourists, many of whom board the train in the Pacific Coast city of Vancouver, British Columbia, or in Jasper, Alberta, for the spectacular journey through the Rocky Mountains.

The train arrived in Toronto on Saturday morning after resuming its journey late Friday afternoon.

(Writing by Renato Andrade; Editing by Eric Walsh)

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Jasper is a ski resort, it is an international level one. I have been in Jasper few times and we see people from Europe and East-Asia.

In the North American Map they belong to spatial/activity spots consider as potential global vectors.

Once something happen from these pre-determine spots, the protocol is more radical because of its potential.

As for the intra-muros (domestic) railroad transportation identification of people, this incident will probably link Via Rail (The Canadian Railroad Company) clients datas to the North American Continental Centre Security Office.

As far as articles are concern Its all understood that a site like ours have a responsability to raise legitimate questions, provide back-bone informations, make the right calls to the right people (Florida1 and I and a couple of others have the red phone, that is we are authorised to call anyone at the top if necessary, we do have their numbers, public and private in case of an emergency).

We need to provide the most accurate information to world wide journalists that are now directed to our site from their news agency.

No rhetoric but sharing the facts provided by us from people on the ground and the actors of this Governance.

Believe me, we are becoming a bridge.

Journalists knows that we provide the best informations that ours Mods and Members gathers and we cover wider than most information networks.

Governmental Officials, when F1 or I call them know who we are and are swift to share informations with us.

In this specific case, the Canadian Govenment for the first time have accepted to be wide open to Snowy Owl, this was the case for Québec and US for years but now Canada wagon joined the train.

So this is good news.

Now for specific questions that have not threatening impact, I will not burn the privileges that has been granted to us with this access that we have.

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Plague/Epidemic to Deaden/Kill: the mysterious illness attacked train passengers
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Several officials stated they did not know the cause of the illness, but the microbiology expert of Donald Low in Mount Sinai Hospital Toronto said to CTV television, he suspected influenza.
"This very clear pointed in something like influenza..."
Possibly this the incident was very acute, several individuals were with the disturbance of breathing sick, said Low, that played the important role in the control of the SARS plague (the Pernapasan Akut Parah Syndrome) in Toronto in 2003.
"We did not speak about SARS, we did not speak about avian influenza."
We saw the matter as this happened in ships went for a trip and other situations where you saw many gathered people in close limits, said he

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I understand the importance of maintaining good chain of communication with all the parts involved in incidents like that concerned the canadian train.

However, in my mind some unanswered questions remain, and a growing number of things won't go in place in this puzzle.

Tanks you for the attention.
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I am sure communications will get better as Sally said, it is 'work in progress'.

And for now, some doctors comes out and make some statements that are sometimes speculative and sometimes have a lack of informations.

Don't know when, but I saw a gov doc stating that a communications responsable will soon be name for all hospitals in NA.

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Lab exams confirmed on Saturday that there was no infectious disease outbreak on a cross-Canada train that was held in quarantine on Friday in northern Ontario after a passenger aboard died.
"An assessment of all passengers on a VIA Rail train from Vancouver to Toronto has been completed and results confirm that there was no outbreak of infectious disease," Ontario's Ministry of Health said in a statement.
The train, carrying 264 passengers and 30 crew members, was held for almost 10 hours near the tiny northern Ontario town of Foleyet on Friday after the sudden death of a woman, reported to be in her 60s.
Another woman on the trip suffered shortness of breath, while five other passengers traveling in a group exhibited influenza-like symptoms, raising suspicions of an outbreak and prompting health officials to quarantine the train.
Early reports of the death and scenes of emergency workers in hazardous material suits swarming the train brought back grim memories of the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Toronto, which killed dozens.
Some of the group of five passengers were ill before they boarded on May 7 in Jasper, Alberta, and lab results showed four of them tested positive for seasonal flu, officials said.
"All individuals seated in the vicinity of these five passengers were assessed. None have symptoms of influenza ... Another passenger on the train experiencing flu-like symptoms has tested positive for a cold virus," officials added.
Lab results for the woman who had displayed shortness of breath and was taken to a hospital near the city of Timmins were also negative for the flu and other respiratory illness.
The death of the woman is still under investigation, the health ministry said. "But an infectious disease as a cause of death has been ruled out."
VIA Rail's trans-Canada services are popular with tourists, many of whom board the train in the Pacific Coast city of Vancouver, British Columbia, or in Jasper, Alberta, for the spectacular journey through the Rocky Mountains.
The train arrived in Toronto on Saturday morning after resuming its journey late Friday afternoon.
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Some of the group of five passengers were ill before they boarded on May 7 in Jasper, Alberta, and lab results showed four of them tested positive for seasonal flu, officials said.

Published: May 11, 2008 11:22h
Clearly, the disinformation mode in Canada was active. At best, the rapid infleunza A tests gave four false negatives. At worst, the positives were withheld and alternatives were suggested.
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Again, thanks to everyone who is working on this.

Obviously, questions remain. Ironorehopper lists a few.

Anyone who has information, please post it, or you can email me at ftcom@embarqmail.com
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Thank you in Ironorehopper and Doctor Niman for your perspicacity. It is important from my point of view to peel this event.
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UNDIAGNOSED ILLNESS, TRAIN - CANADA: (ALBERTA,
ONTARIO), REQUEST FOR INFORMATION
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Date: 9 May 2008
Source: Associated Press [edited]
<http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gFlSjtUIBDMVj9iFqsaSYEypMdpAD90I9BJO0>


Train quarantined in Ontario with mystery illness
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Canadian authorities quarantined a train in
northern Ontario Friday [9 May 2008] after a
woman died and several other people came down
with an undetermined illness. Officials were
keeping passengers from leaving the train, said
Steve Trinier, the director of ambulance services in the area.

The train was being held in the station in the
town of Foleyet, 500 miles northwest of Toronto.
The station was evacuated. As many as 10 people
were ill with flu-like symptoms. The illnesses
appeared to be contained to 2 cars on the train
of 269 passengers and 30 crew members.

One person was taken to hospital and is in stable
condition, Trinier said. The cross country Via
passenger train was headed from Vancouver to
Toronto when emergency officials received a call
Friday morning [9 May 2008] and met the train in Foleyet.

Police constable Marc Depatie told CBC TV there
were reports that the woman who died was in her
60s and already had flulike symptoms when she
boarded the train with a group of tourists in Jasper, Alberta.

Seven other members of her party were
experiencing similar but not extreme symptoms, he
said. Trinier said authorities did not know the cause of the illnesses yet.

"There's certainly a possibility of something as
simple as food poisoning and also an
environmental toxin of some sort," Trinier said.

Health officials were on the alert for norovirus,
though they said that has not been identified as
the cause. Noroviruses cause stomach flu and can
be caught through contact with infected people or
by touching or ingesting contaminated items.

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Woman dies mysteriously on Via train; others sick
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With hundreds of passengers aboard, many believed
to be foreign tourists, a VIA Rail train remained
under quarantine in a small northern Ontario town
Friday afternoon [9 May 2008] after a 60-year-old
woman was found dead in a passenger coach and 6
others complained of feeling unwell with a
flu-like ailment. It was unclear, however,
whether the 2 sets of circumstances were connected.

"At present we do not believe they're related,"
Ontario Provincial Police Staff Sergeant Rob Knox said.

He said the woman became ill on the train and
subsequently died from an unknown illness. A 2nd
passenger who has been airlifted to Timmins and
District Hospital, where she was diagnosed with a
respiratory illness and listed in stable condition.

The 5 other ill passengers aboard the train are
in stable condition and in good spirits, he said.
The doctor aboard the train who is treating these
passengers is "not concerned for their immediate health," he added.

These passengers are in a separate car, isolated
from others. He said there is no need to evacuate
anyone from the immediate area surrounding the train.

"There is no evidence to support an outbreak of
infectious disease aboard the train," said
Ontario Chief Medical Officer of Health David
Williams at a news conference. Mr. Williams said
there was a confluence of 3 events unrelated to
each other: the woman who died, the woman over 60
with a shortness of breath who was airlifted to
hospital, and 5 tourists travelling together who
felt ill before they boarded the train in Jasper,
who were suffering from a viral-type condition.

He anticipates the train will begin rolling later
Friday [9 May 2008] en route to Toronto, where it
is expected to arrive Saturday [10 May 2008] morning.

A small army of emergency vehicles descended on
the tiny hamlet Friday morning following reports
that several passengers were suffering from the
flu-like symptoms. The train was on its final leg
of a 3-day trip from Vancouver to Toronto.

Staff Sgt. Knox said a doctor was on the train
and had tried to help the victim after she became
ill from a still-undetermined illness. The woman
later died, and the doctor turned his attention
to other passengers who were also unwell but who
were later described as being in stable condition and in good spirits.

The doctor said he saw no immediate connection
between the woman's death and the other
passengers' illnesses, Staff Sgt. Knox said.

Officials were obtaining medical documents and
patient histories in search of clues as to what happened.

For several hours the emergency triggered
widespread concern in Foleyet, a town of less
than 400 people, and only emergency personnel
wearing full protective gear were being allowed aboard the train.

"We're just going crazy," said resident Carol
Woodhouse, who works at a bunkhouse where train
crews rest and eat. "The rumours are flying,
people are talking about SARS, nobody knows
what's going on. Usually we only have 2 policemen
here, now I think we've got at least 20."

Ms. Woodhouse estimated the train ­- carrying 246
passengers and 30 crew -­ consisted of at least
30 coaches, but the illness is believed to have
been contained within one or 2 cars. The train
was halted about 8:35 a.m. after the woman was discovered dead.

All the communities in which the train made stops
were under scrutiny, Health Canada spokesman
Alastair Sinclair said. "Federal officials are
collaborating with their provincial and regional
counterparts to assess the situation and take
action, as appropriate," Mr. Sinclair said. "The
Minister of Health, Tony Clement, has been
briefed and has directed his officials to notify
and liaise with provincial, regional and local
authorities, both in Foleyet and at all points
along the route the train travelled. For the
moment, Ontario is the lead on this."

Constable Marc Depatie of the OPP said in an
interview that officials were still trying to
determine what caused the illnesses on the train
and how they are linked to the fatality.

"We don't know if the element is viral or
bacterial or a case of food poisoning."

But he echoed Staff Sgt Knox in saying no crisis appeared to be at hand.

"There is no immediate threat to the persons who
are either suffering with the flu-like symptoms
or to other occupants of the train, so there is no emergency sense to this."

The logistics, however, posed an obstacle,
Constable Depatie said. "Geography is basically
working against us because the persons who are
best equipped to deal with this are miles from a
small town in northern Ontario." Of the 5
passengers separated from the others, "They're
experiencing flu-like symptoms but not to the
extent that would require immediate extrication."

Crime-scene investigators from OPP's South
Porcupine detachment were also on hand but had
not yet boarded the quarantined train.

"From an OPP perspective, all sudden deaths are
deemed to be suspicious in nature until we
determine the root cause," Constable Depatie
said. "So with that in mind, our crime unit is at
the scene taking preliminary information down so
we can perform an investigation of the event."

Public health officials in British Columbia and
Alberta were on standby, awaiting more information from Foleyet.

Patricia Daly, chief medical health officer for
Vancouver Coastal Health, said officials had been
alerted to possible concerns, but it wasn't clear
if any health threat existed in B.C. or Alberta.

"We're on standby. We've been advised. They did
contact us and we're waiting for further
information," she said. "As soon as we get more
information we'll know if there is anything we have to do here."

Nothing amiss was reported in Jasper either,
Aspen Regional Health Authority spokesman Scott Donaldson said.

Alberta Health is also investigating, since the
train travelled across the province, making stops
in both Jasper and Edmonton on Wednesday [7 May 2008].

Helen Kelleher-Empey, general manager of Jasper
Tourism and Commerce, said train travel is
crucial to the resort town's economy and its 4643
residents, especially as it gears up for the busy
summer season when the population explodes.

"We are shocked and saddened that that someone
has died," Ms. Kelleher-Empey said

Foleyet lies about 100 kilometres [62 miles]
southwest of Timmins. Town chairwoman Deborah
DesRochers said the scene was initially chaotic as emergency vehicles arrived.

Others realized something unusual was happening
when they saw the train stopped at the station
around 9 a.m., local resident Fernande Dallaire
said. OPP cruisers, some with sirens blaring,
cordoned off the local rail yard, she said.

Judy Bromley saw several ambulances show up and
watched as a medical helicopter landed nearby and
airlifted a female passenger away. At one point,
the OPP ordered the evacuation of a local railway
rooming house, to turn it into a command centre
and let healthy passengers use some of the
30-plus beds there. But the plan was changed and
passengers remained onboard the train cars.

Resident John Boudreau said he could see some
sitting in the train's dining room, calmly having
a meal. The train was equipped for long-haul
journeys, with sleeping berths and a fully
equipped dining room, and it didn't appear to
have immediate resupply needs, Mr. Boudreau said.

The normal duration of the Vancouver-Toronto
journey is 30 minutes short of 3 days, and the
trip has long been popular with foreign tourists, Ms. Woodhouse said.

[Byline: Timothy Appleby]

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[It is unclear on the basis of the information
available so far whether the death of the elderly
passenger was the result of an illness
(infectious or otherwise) or some other
consequence, and whether the febrile illness of
some other passengers is related to this death. Further information is awaited.

Of note is that there appear to be a mix of
illnesses going on... apparently some seem to be
purely respiratory in nature, and others may
welll be gastrointestinal as norovirus is
speculated as a causative agent. Clarification
of the situation would be greatly appreciated.

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and the town of Foleyet can be located in the map at:
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UNDIAGNOSED ILLNESS, TRAIN - CANADA: (ALBERTA,
ONTARIO), REQUEST FOR INFORMATION


Of note is that there appear to be a mix of
illnesses going on... apparently some seem to be
purely respiratory in nature, and others may
welll be gastrointestinal as norovirus is
speculated as a causative agent. Clarification
of the situation would be greatly appreciated.

The HealthMap/ProMED-mail map of Canada can be
used to locate the province of Ontario:
<http://healthmap.org/promed?v=55.4,-101.9,4>;
and the town of Foleyet can be located in the map at:
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Foleyet,+ON,+Canada>.
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More disinformation.
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Thank you in Ironorehopper and Doctor Niman for your perspicacity. It is important from my point of view to peel this event.
Yes, this incident gives a very strong perspective on the disinformation dissmentated.

The two key questions on the origin of the tourist group and the infleunza A results were withheld or "revised". The group originated in Austrailia and Jasper was a (deliberate) red herring. Similarly, the lack of infection on the train was really a lack of transmission on the train, because the tourist were infected prior to boarding. Many reports indicated the fatal case had symtoms prior to boarding, but media reports say she died of a heart attack.

The press conference was clearly designed to misinform by saying that the events among the tour group were unrelated, and there was no mention of influenza A positive data, so at best there were four false negatives at the time of the news conference, which was almost 8 hours after the initial report of the fatality.
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Official Press Release from Friday:

Train in Foleyet, Ontario

May 9, 2008
For Immediate Release
Update: Foleyet Train Issue
  • There is no evidence of an infectious disease outbreak in connection with the death of a passenger on a VIA train en route today from Vancouver to Toronto as determined by federal, provincial and local public health officials.
  • Another passenger, who was airlifted to Timmins District Hospital, was assessed and is in stable condition. The clinical assessment so far, including lab results, are all negative for the flu and other infectious respiratory illnesses.
  • Another five passengers who felt ill with mild symptoms and had been isolated are being assessed on board the train. They are also in stable condition.
  • Health officials have determined that the death of the passenger and the illness of the other six passengers are not related.
  • Public health officials now are assessing all passengers on the train as a precaution.
  • The train is expected to resume its journey later today.
  • The Sudbury District Health Unit is leading the local public health response and is investigating the cause of the passenger death and the other illness.

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From media reports on Friday:

OPP Const. Marc Depatie said he believed the woman who died had boarded the train in Jasper, Alta., as part of a tour group. Depatie said there were reports she had flu-like symptoms when she boarded.

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Tests results on the sick woman taken off the quarantined train stuck in Foleyet, northern Ontario, show she is negative for influenza A and B and she and the other five patients seem to be getting better, said Dr. Donald Low.
The rapid antigen tests are negative for influenza and Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV).
"Now they are doing the molecular testing, a more sensitive test. I suspect they'll be negative," he said.
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Breaking Woman Who Died On Board Via Rail Train Identified

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Woman Who Died On Board Via Rail Train Identified

Sunday May 11, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff

The woman who died on board a VIA Rail train, triggering scares of a possible SARS-like outbreak, has been identified.
Brenda Buckley, a South Africa native, was 43 years old when she died Friday. Early reports said she was in her 60s. Later, she was an 86-year-old Australian.
An autopsy report indicated she died of natural causes.
Six other people also became ill with the common flu.
The train, enroute from Vancouver to Toronto, was quarantined outside of Timmins for 9 hours as emergency workers investigated the scene and treated the sick.
News of the possible outbreak spread quickly, a move that pleased health officials here and in the United States.
Doctor David Williams, Ontario's acting chief medical officer of health, says officials "did all the right things" in what proved to be a false alarm.
Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman said the response of emergency crews gave him, and Ontarians, "even greater confidence that our ability to manage these kind of things has substantially approved."
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The thread is now closed but I think this last newswire is a breakthrough one. IOH.
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Woman who died on VIA train was 43, from South Africa
May 11, 2008 11:13 AM
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Ontario police say the woman who died aboard a Via Rail Train on Friday, setting off a massive biohazard response, was a 43-year-old from South Africa.

While a post-mortem examination determined Brenda Buckley's death was the result of natural causes as earlier reports have suggested, there's been much speculation as to her age and country of origin.

Authorities had initially given the woman's age as 60, and later said she was 86 years old.

Police say six other passengers who reported feeling ill around the same time have since been diagnosed with the common flu.

The train from Vancouver remained under quarantine for nine hours Friday in a tiny Northern Ontario town while a hazardous materials medical team determined whether the deceased or ill passengers were infectious.

Once it was determined they were not suffering from anything serious, the train continued on to Toronto.

Most of the 264 passengers and 30 crew members debarked there Saturday morning, most of them in good spirits despite the ordeal.
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The "natural" death of a 43F raises additional concerns.
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What was really happened on this train?
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What was really happened on this train?
That is clearly an OPEN question.
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Niman - I moved your ID of the woman thread onto this one for continuity. This thread is the continuation of the first "Canada train quarantined.." thread here.
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If they can be that far off with something as simple as age you have to ask - mistaken information or deliberate misinformation? Either one is worrisome!
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More about the confusione between passengers:
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Breast cancer patient booked trip for 'good dose of happy go lucky'
May 10, 2008 04:30 AM
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Aboard Via Rail Train No. 2–Haedy Davidson and her family decided to take a train across Canada, soaking in the scenic Rocky Mountains and frothy northern rivers, because they "needed a good dose of happy-go-lucky."
Davidson, who suffers from Stage IV breast cancer, got more than she bargained for.

The Vancouver native was among some 264 passengers who were left in limbo yesterday aboard a Via train quarantined in Foleyet, a secluded logging town west of Timmins.

Passengers didn't learn that a 60-year-old woman had died aboard the train early yesterday until 6 p.m. – and only then when the news squawked over a train employee's radio.
There was no cellphone service, no Internet connection, no connection with the outside world.

By midnight, passengers were sprawled across the aisles, pillows and blankets were scattered, and patience was running short – a sharp contrast to how the day started.

"We were all in pretty good spirits for a lot of the morning," said Chloe Elias, 19, adding she and a friend watched movies on a computer.

But as the day progressed, some passengers said they were frustrated by the lack of information given by Via staff.

"We didn't know we could have free water until we asked for it," said Elise Pettit of Victoria. "When it came to beer, we still had to pay $5 a can."

Some passengers also said they were upset that in Foleyet, where the train was quarantined, smokers were briefly allowed outside. Non-smokers had to stay on-board, Pettit said.

Davidson, who passed time listening to an iPod and talking with her husband and two sons, 27 and 16, said her most frustrating moment came when a leaflet was distributed at about midnight from the Sudbury public health unit.

Under the heading "What is known," the brochure said: "There is no evidence of an infectious disease outbreak in connection with the death of a passenger on the Via Rail train en route today from Vancouver to Toronto."

"This is just propaganda," said Davidson, adding she began rationing morphine at about 2 p.m.

"They're just covering their asses. I understand protocol and medical emergencies. Especially since SARS, we have to err on the side of extreme caution. But not to be able to tell us we'll be here another five or seven hours, to just keep us in the dark, is wrong."

While sick passengers were isolated in a car "in lockdown," according one staff member, rumours spread as the train passed Sudbury that at least one other passenger was sick. A boy, about 9, was wrapped in a red blanket and briefly taken off the train at Sudbury for air. "He has anxiety attacks," his mother told train staff. "He needs fresh air and a banana."

The train was stopped in Foleyet at about 9 a.m., just after staff served breakfasts of poached eggs, hash browns and coffee. Lunch – turkey club and tuna sandwiches – was served between 1 and 3 p.m. Staff served dinner, too. Pot roast or grilled salmon cost $11.50 and barbecue chicken was $11. None of the meals was complementary.

"Some people were only planning to be on the train for a fixed time," Pettit said. "I don't have the money to pay $11 each for three meals a day."

She said providing passengers with complimentary food "would have been the right thing to do."

Via Rail's crisis management came under fire even from someone in the business.

Kevin Pashkewicz, a CN Rail conductor from Smithers, B.C., said he couldn't believe the dearth of information from train staff.

"They're dancing around," he said. "They're not really telling everybody anything. We're upstairs watching helicopters landing (near the train) and they're not saying anything more. They're tiptoeing."

Told of passengers' concerns about the lack of information, a Via Rail train employee declined to comment. "I can't tell you anything," he said.

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And the British-born retired doctor that inspected woman cadaver?

I cared severely handicapped people in the past and sometimes a gross, external facial and body examination may prove difficult in order to establish the physical age: ie. a person with severe mental disability (cerebropathic mental retardation) had a physical aspect of an elderly patient (75 years-old instead 35-years-old). Facial abnormalities, lack of speech capabilites may result in mistakenly age definition by non-experienced persons.

One may argue that the retired doctor examined a person with gross physical abnormalities leading to erroneus age and - possibly - race definition.
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This recent situation in Canada has some similarities to the recent deaths in northern Minnesota from influenza. In both cases there was uncertainty whether these patients had been reliably screened for H5N1. Many rapid and Elisa tests which are common in North America are not very sensitive for H5N1 and it is often unclear if even in highly suspect cases such as these that more reliable pcr testing is being done. In Canada it probably was, the Minnesota situation appeared to garner much less interest and even though autopsies were apparently done the full level of influenza testing done was not revealed.

In Canada there was the added problem that originally the rapid tests on 4 patients were apparently negative but later testing was positive for influenza A. This would make identification and release of the precise serotype even more important.

Also the age of 43 of the fatal case also makes the situation more worrisome and important to accurately identify the cause and release the information to the public.

The public deserves better than this. Hopefully public health is actually performing better than this.

http://www.wdio.com/article/stories/...html?cat=10335
Created on: 03/20/2008 06:47:42 PM
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Health Officials Investigating Two Flu-like Illness Deaths in Same Family

The Minnesota Department of Health is investigating the deaths of two rural Itasca County men. Authorities say they had flu-like symptoms, but may have died from secondary bacterial infections. Both are from Dora Lake, which is in Itasca County, west of Bigfork.

Dan "Barney" Adams Jr., 45, died on Sunday at Bigfork Valley Hospital. Three days later, his father, Rev. Dan Adams Sr. died at St. Mary's Medical Center in Duluth. His age is unknown.

Adams Jr. owned and operated Barney's On The Bowstring resort and hunting guide service. He leaves behind a wife and two children. Adams Jr. also ran for Itasca County Commissioner back in 2006. His friend, Phil Padgett, said Adams was a kind-hearted man, who was always there to help you.

Adams Sr. was the pastor of Good News Bible Church in Dora Lake and in Cohasset.

Health officials say the two deaths in one family is devastating, but not a reason to panic. The DOH estimates about 800 people in Minnesota die from the flu each year, most of them over the age of 65. The flu season runs through April. To prevent the spread of the disease, good hygiene is encouraged. Flu shots are also still available.
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Here it is:

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