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Discussion: Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Wuhan has been working with bats and coronavirus for many years - DNA manipulations, cloning.... - Ja

Source: https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...irst-in-China-suggests-new-genomic-study.aspx


COVID-19 may not have appeared first in China, suggests new genomic study
Dr. Liji Thomas, MDBy Dr. Liji Thomas, MDMay 3 2021

The causative pathogen of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) ? severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) ? has led to the largest pandemic of modern times. This virus is one of seven coronaviruses known to cause human disease. While closely related to the SARS-CoV of 2002, it is far more infectious and has a long incubation period.

Thus, though it is much less deadly than the former, it has led to millions of deaths worldwide. The first case was reported from a seafood market in Wuhan, China. Since then, numerous theories have emerged regarding its origin.

A new study in Acta Mathematica Scientia suggests that the virus may have originated in multiple countries almost simultaneously, rather than spreading from China to the rest of the world...
 
Describing variability in pig genes involved in coronavirus infections for a One Health perspective in conservation of animal genetic resources
?One Health? approach against coronaviruses. Risk analysis for coronavirus infections might also consider the variability of the host genome whose level is different across breeds and populations, as it might be derived from their genetic histories.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82956-0
 
Source: https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...irst-in-China-suggests-new-genomic-study.aspx


COVID-19 may not have appeared first in China, suggests new genomic study
Dr. Liji Thomas, MDBy Dr. Liji Thomas, MDMay 3 2021

The causative pathogen of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) ? severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) ? has led to the largest pandemic of modern times. This virus is one of seven coronaviruses known to cause human disease. While closely related to the SARS-CoV of 2002, it is far more infectious and has a long incubation period.

Thus, though it is much less deadly than the former, it has led to millions of deaths worldwide. The first case was reported from a seafood market in Wuhan, China. Since then, numerous theories have emerged regarding its origin.

A new study in Acta Mathematica Scientia suggests that the virus may have originated in multiple countries almost simultaneously, rather than spreading from China to the rest of the world...

The authors:

Shaojun Pei
  • Department of Mathematical Sciences, Tsinghua University, Beijing, 100084, China
Stephen S.-T. Yau
  • Department of Mathematical Sciences, Tsinghua University, Beijing, 100084, China
  • Yanqi Lake Beijing Institute of Mathematical Sciences and Applications, Beijing, 101408, China
 
A little reminder, when we talk about pigs, we have to be serious. So if some can imagine that this is going to be enough, they are dreaming.

Describing variability in pig genes involved in coronavirus infections for a One Health perspective in conservation of animal genetic resources

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82956-0

The precise description of the possible lines in China, Europe and in USA is not for in 5 years ...
 
Origin of Covid ? Following the Clues
Did people or nature open Pandora?s box at Wuhan?


Nicholas Wade
2 days ago?43 min read

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Before 2020, the rules followed by virologists in China and elsewhere required that experiments with the SARS1 and MERS viruses be conducted in BSL3 conditions. But all other bat coronaviruses could be studied in BSL2, the next level down. BSL2 requires taking fairly minimal safety precautions, such as wearing lab coats and gloves, not sucking up liquids in a pipette, and putting up biohazard warning signs. Yet a gain-of-function experiment conducted in BSL2 might produce an agent more infectious than either SARS1 or MERS. And if it did, then lab workers would stand a high chance of infection, especially if unvaccinated.

Much of Dr. Shi?s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that ?The coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.?
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Concern about safety conditions at the Wuhan lab was not, it seems, misplaced. According to a fact sheet issued by the State Department on January 21,2021, ? The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses.?

David Asher, a fellow of the Hudson Institute and former consultant to the State Department, provided more detail about the incident at a seminar. Knowledge of the incident came from a mix of public information and ?some high end information collected by our intelligence community,? he said. Three people working at a BSL3 lab at the institute fell sick within a week of each other with severe symptoms that required hospitalization. This was ?the first known cluster that we?re aware of, of victims of what we believe to be COVID-19.? Influenza could not completely be ruled out but seemed unlikely in the circumstances, he said.
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In the case of SARS1, researchers have documented the successive changes in its spike protein as the virus evolved step by step into a dangerous pathogen. After it had gotten from bats into civets, there were six further changes in its spike protein before it became a mild pathogen in people. After a further 14 changes, the virus was much better adapted to humans, and with a further 4 the epidemic took off.

But when you look for the fingerprints of a similar transition in SARS2, a strange surprise awaits. The virus has changed hardly at all, at least until recently. From its very first appearance, it was well adapted to human cells. Researchers led by Alina Chan of the Broad Institute compared SARS2 with late stage SARS1, which by then was well adapted to human cells, and found that the two viruses were similarly well adapted. ?By the time SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in late 2019, it was already pre-adapted to human transmission to an extent similar to late epidemic SARS-CoV,? they wrote.

Even those who think lab origin unlikely agree that SARS2 genomes are remarkably uniform. Dr. Baric writes that ?early strains identified in Wuhan, China, showed limited genetic diversity, which suggests that the virus may have been introduced from a single source.?

A single source would of course be compatible with lab escape, less so with the massive variation and selection which is evolution?s hallmark way of doing business.

The uniform structure of SARS2 genomes gives no hint of any passage through an intermediate animal host, and no such host has been identified in nature.

Proponents of natural emergence suggest that SARS2 incubated in a yet-to-be found human population before gaining its special properties. Or that it jumped to a host animal outside China.

All these conjectures are possible, but strained. Proponents of lab leak have a simpler explanation. SARS2 was adapted to human cells from the start because it was grown in humanized mice or in lab cultures of human cells, just as described in Dr. Daszak?s grant proposal. Its genome shows little diversity because the hallmark of lab cultures is uniformity.
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Full text:
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038
 
"Proponents of lab leak have a simpler explanation. SARS2 was adapted to human cells from the start because it was grown in humanized mice or in lab cultures of human cells, just as described in Dr. Daszak?s grant proposal. Its genome shows little diversity because the hallmark of lab cultures is uniformity."

If you passage a virus in a 'humanized mouse' you get a humanised mouse adapted virus not a humanised virus. Humanised mice have a human ACE2 receptor replacing their own but are otherwise mice in terms of all other aspects of their cell and immune biology. Even if you passage SARS-CoV-2 in a mono layer of human epithelial cells it starts to pick up mutations as their cell biology and innate immune response is fairly normal but there is no adaptive immunity to deal with in a cell culture. The arguments claiming good human adaption due to gain of function experiments in any thing other than a human do not hold up for this reason. A more credible explanation is a fairly well adapted bat strain got into a human, or other mammal, and adapted a bit further until it acquired a well enough adapted form to efficiently sustain H-2-H and all the sequences we have found to date stem from that and we have just not found where that refinement took place yet.
 
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JJackson
Can I have your definition of conspiratorial on one side and ethics on the other?
I say this because the criticisms of this man, in office, or his wife seem to justify this type of qualification:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

On December 4, 2020, US President-elect Joe Biden announced that in addition to continuing to serve as director of the US National AIDS Assistance Center, Fauci will also serve as the president's chief medical adviser in the Biden administration.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%89%E4%B8%9C%E5%B0%BC%C2%B7%E5%BC%97%E5%A5%9 1
 
I do not know what you are asking. I know nothing about his wife but his ethics seem above reproach and have seen nothing to indicate he has conspired in anything other than attempting to give the best advice possible based on what ever data was available at the time, despite extreme pressure from his political masters to tow their line.
 
I am not sure if this article has any truth in it.

Leaked Chinese document reveals a sinister plan to ?unleash? coronaviruses

A leaked 2015 government paper has revealed a discussion by top Chinese scientists who said a virus could be ?unleashed in way never seen before?.

A document written by Chinese scientists and Chinese public health officials in 2015 discussed the weaponisation of SARS coronavirus, reveals the Weekend Australian.

Titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, the paper predicted that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons.

Released five years before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, it describes SARS coronaviruses as a ?new era of genetic weapons? that can be ?artificially manipulated into an emerging human ?disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before?.

Peter Jennings, the executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), told news.com.au that the document is as close to a ?smoking gun? as we?ve got.

?I think this is significant because it clearly shows that Chinese scientists were thinking about military application for different strains of the coronavirus and thinking about how it could be deployed,? said Mr Jennings.

?It begins to firm up the possibility that what we have here is the accidental release of a pathogen for military use,? added Mr Jennings.

He also said that the document may explain why China has been so reluctant for outside investigations into the origins of COVID-19.

?If this was a case of transmission from a wet market it would be in China?s interest to co-operate ? we?ve had the opposite of that.?

Among the 18 listed authors of the document are People?s Liberation Army scientists and weapons experts.

Robert Potter, a cyber security specialist who analyses leaked Chinese government documents was asked by The Australian to verify the paper. He says the document definitely isn?t fake.


READ MORE
 
Lab-Made? SARS-CoV-2 Genealogy Through the Lens of Gain-of-Function Research
Yuri Deigin
Apr 22, 2020

If you hear anyone claim ?we know the virus didn?t come from a lab?, don?t buy it ? it may well have. Labs around the globe have been creating synthetic viruses like CoV2 for years. And no, its genome would not necessarily contain hallmarks of human manipulation: modern genetic engineering tools permit cutting and pasting genomic fragments without leaving a trace. It can be done quickly, too: it took a Swiss team less than a month to create a synthetic clone of CoV2.

How I Learned to Start Worrying

Oh, come on. Lab-made? Nonsense! Back in January, that was my knee-jerk reaction when ideas that Covid-19 is caused by a laboratory leak had just surfaced. Bioweapon? Well, that is just Flat Earth crazies territory. Thus, whenever I kept hearing anything about non-natural origins of SARS-CoV-2, I brushed it aside under similar sentiments. So what if there is a virology institute in Wuhan? Who knows how many of those are sprinkled throughout China.

At some point, it became necessary to brush such theories aside in a substantiated manner, as their proponents began to back up their theses about the possible artificial nature of the virus with arguments from molecular biology, and when engaging them in debate, I wanted to smash their conspiracy theories with cold, hard scientific facts. Just like that Nature paper (or so I thought).

So it was then, in pursuit of arguments against the virus?s lab-madeness, that I got infected by the virus of doubt. What was the source of my doubts? The fact that the deeper you dive into the research activities of coronavirologists over the past 15?20 years, the more you realize that creating chimeras like CoV2 was commonplace in their labs. And CoV2 is an obvious chimera (though not nesessarily a lab-made one), which is based on the ancestral bat strain RaTG13, in which the receptor binding motif (RBM) in its spike protein is replaced by the RBM from a pangolin strain, and in addition, a small but very special stretch of 4 amino acids is inserted, which creates a furin cleavage site that, as virologists have previously established, significantly expands the ?repertoire? of the virus in terms of whose cells it can penetrate. Most likely, it was thanks to this new furin site that the new mutant managed to jump species from its original host to humans...

Read more: https://yurideigin.medium.com/lab-m...ens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748
 
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, the whistleblower virologist who claims to have direct knowledge the virus was made in the Wuhan lab intended as a bioweapon is writing a series of reports.
Here is a link to her Twitter where she lists links to her papers. https://twitter.com/drlimengyan1?lang=en

The 3rd Yan Report.The Wuhan Laboratory Origin of SARS-CoV-2 and the Validity of the Yan Reports Are Further Proved by the Failure of Two Uninvited "Peer Reviews" Link: https://zenodo.org/record/4650821#.YGR0_uT3aEd? #COVID19 #UnrestrictedBioweapon #UnrestrictedScientificMisinformation
 
This is significant - Alina Chan and Ralph Baric and others joining forces calling for a real scientific investigation into sars-cov-2 origin. Hat tip to GardenSpider. (This was retweeted by Dr. Li-Meng Yan.)

 
Dozens of think tanks, inteligence agencies and academic institutions have written papers about the dangers of weaponising a vast range of natural and artificial pathogens. There is a whole industry based on this possibility, principally in the US. That the Chinese are also concerning themselves with it is hardly a smoking gun. We have the tools to make anything we like what we do not have is the knowledge to know how the the thing we make will behave. Even the SARs pandemic virus we have been studying for the last year is throwing up mutations but we can not look at the changed genome and tell what effect it is going to have, we have to wait until it has infected lots of people and then see if it made any difference. This is a million miles away from taking flu, a CoV or anything else and redesigning its genome to be more or less lethal. To be a useful bio-weapon, for a nation state, they would also need a 100% effective vaccine for their own population and be sure it would not mutate. This is all science fiction at this point in time. A nutter who just wanted to reduce the global population is the real danger not nation states and they are far more likely just to use an existing hi-path human disease.
 
https://www.technologyreview.com/20...vid-origin-wuhan-china-lab-biologists-letter/

Top researchers are calling for a real investigation into the origin of covid-19

A group of prominent biologists say there needs to be a ?safe space? for asking whether the coronavirus came out of a lab.

by Rowan Jacobsen

May 13, 2021

REUTERS/Thomas Peter

A group of prominent biologists say there needs to be a ?safe space? for asking whether the coronavirus came out of a lab.

Now, in a letter in the journal Science, 18 prominent biologists?including the world?s foremost coronavirus researcher?are lending their weight to calls for a new investigation of all possible origins of the virus, and calling on China?s laboratories and agencies to ?open their records? to independent analysis.

?We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data,? the scientists write.
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The discussion around the lab leak hypothesis has already become highly political. In the US, it has been embraced most loudly by Republican lawmakers and conservative media figures, including Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The resulting polarization has had a chilling effect on scientists, some of whom have been reluctant to express their own concerns, says Relman.

?We felt motivated to say something because science is not living up to what it can be, which is a very fair and rigorous and open effort to gain greater clarity on something,? he says. ?For me, part of the purpose was to create a safe space for other scientists to say something of their own.?...
 
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-pandemic-coronavirus-can-integrate-human-dna

Further evidence supports controversial claim that SARS-CoV-2 genes can integrate with human DNA

A team of prominent scientists has doubled down on its controversial hypothesis that genetic bits of the pandemic coronavirus can integrate into our chromosomes and stick around long after the infection is over. If they are right?skeptics have argued that their results are likely lab artifacts?the insertions could explain the rare finding that people can recover from COVID-19 but then test positive for SARS-CoV-2 again months later.

Stem cell biologist Rudolf Jaenisch and gene regulation specialist Richard Young of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who led the work, triggered a Twitter storm in December 2020, when their team first presented the idea in a preprint on bioRxiv. The researchers emphasized that viral integration did not mean people who recovered from COVID-19 remain infectious. But critics charged them with stoking unfounded fears that COVID-19 vaccines based on messenger RNA (mRNA) might somehow alter human DNA. (Janesich and Young stress that their results, both original and new, in no way imply that those vaccines integrate their sequences into our DNA.)

Researchers also presented a brace of scientific criticisms, some of which the team addresses in a paper released online todayby the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). ?We now have unambiguous evidence that coronavirus sequences can integrate into the genome,? Jaenisch says.
 
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