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A message to all the Posters

Did not know how many of you may have picked up on this. I know over at The Wiki, they have seen this. So I wanted to give all of you a shout out. This is from one of my more recent blogs, at

http://www.scottmcpherson.net/journ...onesia-back-on-the-worlds-bird-flu-radar.html

Machine translation, as the dean of flu bloggers Crof points out, is a hit-or-miss proposition. Inflections are lost when the machines try to talk to each other and convert languages. The syntax jumbles and one has to look at several sentences together, in order to deconstruct and then reconstruct intent and true meaning.

But there are some cases where the facts shine through the language barriers. In the Internet age, and specifically in what we IT pros call the Web 2.0 age, collaboration becomes the norm. So it is that on flu sites such as FluTrackers, CurEvents and Flu Wiki, and/or via email, multiple posters can come together and work collaboratively on a translation, or on research, or just to joke around and stay in contact (Crof and FLA_MEDIC, howdy) and compare notes.

In my own opinion, this collaboration will be how we unearth the Next Pandemic. It is precisely this kind of cooperation, across the globe, spanning multiple national borders, mountain ranges, and entire oceans, that will help discover Cluster Zero. Cluster Zero may start in a region of the world that is only covered by regional newspapers printed in Malay, or Arabic, or Hausa, or Chinese. Or maybe a brave blogger will come up for air and alert the world as to what is happening On The Ground in their province. But the bloggers and posters will find him or her, or will find the note in the regional press and translate it and tell the world what seems to be going on.

As we all know, the Mainstream Media reads blogs, and our ambassadors are more and more frequently asked to participate in Mainstream Media events regarding bird flu in this country and abroad. The bloggers and, more importantly, the posters themselves are, in my opinion, just as important to global surveillance on H5N1 as the field WHO and OIE reps who constantly move from village to village, looking for the Next Big Bug.

Twenty-first century flusite posters and translators are to disease what the civilian "skywatcher" program was to World War II They are the volunteers who constantly and relentlessly watch the global press for any indication that the conditions have changed, the H5N1 virus has mutated, and the countdown has begun. They are looking for that virus "silhouette" that matches the outline of the enemy. This time, the silhouette is too small to see. But it is there.

These posters and bloggers also help ensure transparency of the public health system. What worries me almost as much as an outbreak of human H5N1 is the certainty that when and how an announcement will be made will become, at its essence, a political decision. Precious time may be lost while decision-makers debate how to best "spin" the bad news. We frequently see lapses in H5N1 risk communication big enough to drive a Humvee through. If something happens somewhere and we are among the first to know, we don't go off half-cocked. In the military vernacular, we "lean our men forward" and wait. But we wait prepared and aware of the situation, so as not to be caught off-guard.

So while we look at Lampung and wait for more news, raise a glass to those who take the time to do all this translation, research and grunt work. Without them, this would be a pretty bland blogsite. Thanks, gang.​
 
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Thanks....can you do anything about a better translator for Indo news?
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Hi Scott,

Thanks Scott for your perseverant dedication,
This Butterfly my friend (Scott) is like the one that Japan say's about that when he move its Wings, there is a gathering getting your message and they change's thing somehow.

That's for such a 'influence' leading to concrete things.

This being shared, I must said, being mainly north of your border that the name troops in the heading o the thread almost made me not read it, can I suggest Group instead of Troops.

I know you understand the legitimate hypersensibility of those words from US for the Souls of Foreigners.

Thank you

Snowy

understanding
 
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This being shared, I must said, being mainly north of your border that the name troops in the heading o the thread almost made me not read it, can I suggest Group instead of Troops.
Excuse me?
 
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yes, trying to interpret Scott-speak is a bit difficult for
people who are more familiar with science-papers-English
than with US-slang
 
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Actually, the way I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong. The word "troop" in the headline caused you to not want to open the article.

I know you understand the legitimate hypersensibility of those words from US for the Souls of Foreigners.

You are saying the words "troops" is a sensitive word, and you are also saying that it is legitimate to be so sensitive of the word "troops", for the "souls of foreigners".

I find this highly insulting.
 
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FluTrackers is an international site. There are many language variations.

Troops has many meanings. In this case it means a group of people.


troop (trūp)
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n.
  1. A group or company of people, animals, or things. See synonyms at band<sup>2</sup>, flock<sup>1</sup>.
    1. A group of soldiers.
    2. troops Military units; soldiers.
    3. A unit of cavalry, armored vehicles, or artillery in a European army, corresponding to a platoon in the U.S. Army.
  2. A unit of at least five Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts under the guidance of an adult leader.
  3. A great many; a lot.
<!-- __ADSHERE --> intr.v., trooped, troop·ing, troops.
  1. To move or go as a throng.
  2. To assemble or move in crowds.
  3. To consort; associate.
[French troupe, from Old French trope, probably from Vulgar Latin *troppu-.]



troupe

noun
  1. A group of people acting together in a shared activity: band<sup>2</sup>, company, corps, party, troop. Seeperforming arts.
 
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Perhaps it would be a good idea for us all to cut back on expressive phrases that are difficult to translate, . i.e. cliches, sarcasm, slang.

It can be misinterpreted as mean-spiritedness.

I understand Snowy's aversion.

Our troops from the USA have been fighting in Iraq for 5 years.

We at Flutrackers are not an army.

We are communicators.

This communication needs to be done as efficiently as possible without emotion.

Emotions belong in private messages----not threads.
 
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Perhaps it would be a good idea for us all to cut back on expressive phrases that are difficult to translate, . i.e. cliches, sarcasm, slang.

On an international board such as this "to cut back on expressive phrases that are difficult to translate" may be impossible. I suggest a little more tolerance and understanding, also the willingness to accept the fact that here we are an international community contributing not only our time and work to this important effort but a little of our cultures and personalities as well.
 
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Hey gang,
I changed the word "troops" to "posters." Hope this helps. Sometimes it is easy to forget this is a global board with differing interpretations and viewpoints. Here in America, we use that word as a kind of slang sometimes. Sitting back and looking at it from a disconnected viewpoint, it is interesting to see how much of our culture might be viewed as militaristic by those outside our borders -- and sometimes from those within our borders as well.

Best wishes to all,
Scott
 
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Yes, it is interesting to see how much of our culture may be viewed as militaristic. I'm not going to be part of a forum, where the word "troops" is politically incorrect.
It is apparent that I don't belong here. Thanks for all that you do.
 
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After I've thought about it,......
It hit a nerve. I applaud Scott for being able to be flexible. Maybe I need to be a little flexible also.
I'll stick around.
 
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well, Wikipedia says:
An article in the Journal of Contemporary Criminal Justice talks
of a consensus definition,
[gang=] "any durable, street-oriented youth group whose own identity includes
involvement in illegal activity". This definition was developed over 5 years
and agreed on by more than 100 gang research scholars in the United States and Europe.[3]

but I assume, in Scottalese it means something different.
Sally may correct...
 
Re: A message to all the Posters

Thank you to everyone for commenting on this thread.

I, like everyone else, support the news analysts who have done such a great job on this and many sites.

This topic of the use of the word "troops" has hit a nerve.

We are not a political site, however, we all live in areas of the world that have political borders.

For many of the U.S. citizens, troops may, or may not, refer to actual soldiers of war. Many here in the U.S. use that word synonymously with the word "gang" or "group". I am sure that Scott used that word in that context. We allow the word troop on the site. Scott is a Senior Moderator at FT. He has his own opinions and we support diversity.

I am sure that many of our members and viewers can understand how sensitive the issue of war is for the U.S. participants at this time. All U.S. citizens support their men and women who are called into service regardless of how they feel about any particular military situation.

This discussion over the word "troop" is the precise reason why FT is apolitical. We do not want to become distracted by political problems that are all over the world. Some of these problems have persisted for centuries and we will not solve them here.

It is hard to live in a world with so many differences but here at FT we have a singular purpose - to help lessen morbidity and mortality.

I support all of you. Many I know personally. Together we have helped many.

No one member speaks for FT.

We speak together as a group. At the meeting in Washington we had several members in attendance. We were men and women from different political spectrums, several religions, and diverse socio-economic backgrounds. Who better to advise our leaders on pandemic issues?

I expect more "interesting" threads this year as the presidential election cycle "ramps up". I hope we can remain focused here on our mission and leave the political issues to other sites.


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well, Wikipedia says:
An article in the Journal of Contemporary Criminal Justice talks
of a consensus definition,
[gang=] "any durable, street-oriented youth group whose own identity includes
involvement in illegal activity". This definition was developed over 5 years
and agreed on by more than 100 gang research scholars in the United States and Europe.[3]

but I assume, in Scottalese it means something different.
Sally may correct...

gsgs: I'll just
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(only kidding).

Thanks Florida1, I appreciate it.
 
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Scott do you or other trackers or guests have any ideas how to recruit more proficient translators for this board?

It is hard enough to translate when working with different countries speaking the same language. With different languages, countries and cultures a lot of subtleties can get lost in transnational. I worked once with contractors from American, Great Britain, Ireland, Australia and India. We all thought at the time we were speaking English until we tried programming the computer. Special characters such as the pound sign did not translate well. We were soon called into a meeting where the supervisor had to draw pictures to get everyone on the project to understand the various words for specials characters and so that we could understand each other’s references to the same.
 
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