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Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas - Died

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Just that family? What about the entire apartment complex? I'd have to imagine that the complex will likely encounter financial loss. The "reviews" on Google are absolutely awful/hateful/disgusting.

Please stop and ask yourself why the whole complex should move.
What facts do you have to interpret a single Ebola case in one apartment that would indicate other persons in the apartment are at risk.

If the exterior vomit is disinfected (yes, I have seen the video and I'm still not quite able to come up with a reasonable thought for that. I want to know if maybe they are filming the wrong apartment complex? A different area? I don't know ... ugh.)

Anyhow, if they disinfect the vomit, and they eventually clean and disinfect the apartment, what actual science exists that says the other apartment dwellers are in jeopardy and should be moved?

Were the reviews hateful before or only since the Ebola case?
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

This is the first time they have had to respond to this domestically and there are many agencies working together to figure out the answers.

Well, they'd better hurry up, then, because Dallas is looking ugly. Perhaps it should have started when he identified himself as Liberian, and sent home with antibiotics.

1. There's a photo of head of Dallas HHS, along with a doctor, leaving the infected premises of the Ivy Apartments with no PPE.

2. Photos and video of cleaning crew using a power washer, which has a ton of splashback, no PPE.

3. Duncans' girlfriend complains about not having food. A food delivery is handed to her, no PPE.

4. Duncan was in a cab, in the house, and assisted in burial of family member, and then he got on a plane with no thought to infecting relatives here. Lied on sworn statement and said he had not been exposed. A family member said he, "thought he would get ZMapp".

5. Ambulance was in service for 2 days after transport. How many were in the Presby emergency room?

Me: In Dallas.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

The reviews were probably hateful before. A beautiful part of Dallas has devolved into utter grossness.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Regarding this post about health workers being "hesitant":

Why would anyone be hesitant? According to Goodman the hospital could just provide waterproof gowns, gloves, surgical masks, eye and shoe protection.

Tell Dr Brantley that.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Tell Dr Brantley that.

Agreed. I almost posted a photo of him covered head-to-toe to prove my point.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

The reviews were probably hateful before. A beautiful part of Dallas has devolved into utter grossness.

No. They were clearly recent. Only one of the comments seemed to be prior to this episode. The point I was making is that this is becoming very polarizing.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Please stop and ask yourself why the whole complex should move.
What facts do you have to interpret a single Ebola case in one apartment that would indicate other persons in the apartment are at risk.

If the exterior vomit is disinfected (yes, I have seen the video and I'm still not quite able to come up with a reasonable thought for that. I want to know if maybe they are filming the wrong apartment complex? A different area? I don't know ... ugh.)

Anyhow, if they disinfect the vomit, and they eventually clean and disinfect the apartment, what actual science exists that says the other apartment dwellers are in jeopardy and should be moved?

Were the reviews hateful before or only since the Ebola case?

I was commenting on your point about protecting the family from the public. I'm saying that the other residents of that apartment complex also now share in the stigma.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Well, they'd better hurry up, then, because Dallas is looking ugly. Perhaps it should have started when he identified himself as Liberian, and sent home with antibiotics.

1. There's a photo of head of Dallas HHS, along with a doctor, leaving the infected premises of the Ivy Apartments with no PPE.

2. Photos and video of cleaning crew using a power washer, which has a ton of splashback, no PPE.

3. Duncans' girlfriend complains about not having food. A food delivery is handed to her, no PPE.

4. Duncan was in a cab, in the house, and assisted in burial of family member, and then he got on a plane with no thought to infecting relatives here. Lied on sworn statement and said he had not been exposed. A family member said he, "thought he would get ZMapp".

5. Ambulance was in service for 2 days after transport. How many were in the Presby emergency room?

Me: In Dallas.

Please share the science behind why you think the entire premises is infected, i.e., why the Dr. should be wearing PPE.

Please share the science behind why someone has to wear PPE while they hand food to someone that IS NOT CURRENTLY infected with Ebola.

I have no answer for the power washer video. I wish I did.

Yes, all of this would not have happened if the person did not leave Liberia or the hospital had recognized it originally. For both, I could speak volumes to the potential errors that led to either failures.

All pieces of the puzzles in how the man got here from Liberia, what he affirmed to on documents, and whether or not he came intentionally for Z-Mapp are, at this point, unsubstantiated claims. There is no image release of the document he signed, and 'a family member' is not a witness without a name.

I do hope Dallas stays calm and does not continue to "look ugly" as phrased. The truth is out there beyond the figure heads in Washington, beyond the media anchors on TV - please look for and share the science with us.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

I was commenting on your point about protecting the family from the public. I'm saying that the other residents of that apartment complex also now share in the stigma.

You're right. I am concerned for their safety with phrases like "Dallas is looking ugly."
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

The main thing that amazes me is that so many smart people don't understand fomite transmission.

It's not really about airborne, it's about whether that droplet on the can of tomatoes you just bought at the grocery store is crawling with cooties.

Dallas and the CDC are sooooo busy calming the sheep that they are appearing to be nuts.

Anyway, the debate is getting ready to be settled, one way or another. Either a rich first world community, combined with the CDC and other prestigious help, will handle this...or...no.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

The main thing that amazes me is that so many smart people don't understand fomite transmission.

It's not really about airborne, it's about whether that droplet on the can of tomatoes you just bought at the grocery store is crawling with cooties.

Dallas and the CDC are sooooo busy calming the sheep that they are appearing to be nuts.

Anyway, the debate is getting ready to be settled, one way or another. Either a rich first world community, combined with the CDC and other prestigious help, will handle this...or...no.

There will probably be secondary cases related to the Liberian. Whether in his family or in healthcare. We can't go off the deep end if that happens.

There will very likely, almost certainly, be other Ebola cases introduced in the US.

You are right. The debate will be settled. One way or the other.

Personally, I am confident CDC will prevent further spread. Ebola is controlled in remote African areas with less resources all the time. Control means they stop the ongoing spread. Unfortunately, there are always casualties.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Please share the science behind why you think the entire premises is infected, i.e., why the Dr. should be wearing PPE.

Because fomite transmission has been proven, and the lady in the home who is seeing the doctor is within the suspected "barely" pre-symptomatic stage that has not been ruled out. I'll bet you 10 bucks right now that she has Ebola SOON.

Please share the science behind why someone has to wear PPE while they hand food to someone that IS NOT CURRENTLY infected with Ebola.

Admittedly, this one is thin, but as I said above, pre-symptomatic transmission has IN NO WAY been ruled out. Sending someone to touch her hand was unnecessary.

I have no answer for the power washer video. I wish I did.

Yes, all of this would not have happened if the person did not leave Liberia or the hospital had recognized it originally. For both, I could speak volumes to the potential errors that led to either failures.

All pieces of the puzzles in how the man got here from Liberia, what he affirmed to on documents, and whether or not he came intentionally for Z-Mapp are, at this point, unsubstantiated claims. There is no image release of the document he signed, and 'a family member' is not a witness without a name.

Local news video of an interview with a relative. They are angry he isn't getting it. I'll get the link. As for the document, it something everyone has to sign. Do you think he said "YES"? Now that would be bad.

I do hope Dallas stays calm and does not continue to "look ugly" as phrased. The truth is out there beyond the figure heads in Washington, beyond the media anchors on TV - please look for and share the science with us.

Umm, OK. They said it wouldn't get to the US. So much for the science.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Umm, OK. They said it wouldn't get to the US.

Who said it would not get into the US?

It would make no sense that the US has been preparing extensively for a case if "they" said it wouldn't get to the US.

It would make no sense that guidance and procedures and lab testing and all the other tests being done on "possible" Ebola cases if the US wasn't expecting to get a case, or two, or three ...
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Umm, OK. They said it wouldn't get to the US. So much for the science.

Actually, the science said there would very likely be a case as soon as last week.
The science was shared on Flutrackers.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

The main thing that amazes me is that so many smart people don't understand fomite transmission.

It's not really about airborne, it's about whether that droplet on the can of tomatoes you just bought at the grocery store is crawling with cooties.

Dallas and the CDC are sooooo busy calming the sheep that they are appearing to be nuts.

Anyway, the debate is getting ready to be settled, one way or another. Either a rich first world community, combined with the CDC and other prestigious help, will handle this...or...no.


I understand your frustration Lynda, and I get fomite transmission. I agree the CDC and Dallas are so busy calming people that they aren't doing their job. The handling of the whole thing has been very poor and seems to get worse all the time. I hope they will be able to stop the spread, but what we have seen so far doesn't bode well.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Who said it would not get into the US?

It would make no sense that the US has been preparing extensively for a case if "they" said it wouldn't get to the US.

It would make no sense that guidance and procedures and lab testing and all the other tests being done on "possible" Ebola cases if the US wasn't expecting to get a case, or two, or three ...

Lets all try to remain calm. Respect is important at Flutrackers.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

"I'll bet you 10 bucks right now that she has Ebola SOON."

I wouldn't make that bet because you have a good chance of being right.
Because she may be incubating, however, does not indicate the presence of transmissible disease.

AND

we can not forget that the virus does not break through the skin barrier.

There has to be a pre-existing break in the skin OR the virus needs to get INTO the body. If it were able to absorb through intact skin, The entire world would be a mess right now.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Lets all try to remain calm. Respect is important at Flutrackers.

I believe I have been respectful.
Sorry if that has been somehow misinterpreted.
 
Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

Re: Discussion - 1st ebola case in US (excluding health care worker transfer) Dallas, Texas

You're right. I am concerned for their safety with phrases like "Dallas is looking ugly."

Clearly. Anyways. The stigma exists in Africa and it will exist here as well if the virus takes hold and the novelty of surviving a nearby outbreak ends.
 
Re: US - Texas: Patient tests positive for Ebola in Dallas - traveled from Liberia

Re: US - Texas: Patient tests positive for Ebola in Dallas - traveled from Liberia

News Releases

Ebola Update, Oct. 2, 8:35 p.m. CDT
10/02/2014


Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas

Report on Events Related to Ebola Diagnosis

On September 29, the first case of Ebola Virus Disease in the United States was diagnosed at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas. The doctors, nurses and other caregivers at Texas Health Dallas continue to provide compassionate intensive care to our patient, Mr. Thomas Duncan. Mr. Duncan remains in serious condition.

Texas Health Dallas is on alert for communicable diseases as we treat patients who visit our hospital, and particularly our emergency department. As a hospital, we have expertise in treating communicable diseases and have evidence-based screening processes in place. Texas Health Dallas strengthened and deployed updated communicable disease protocols on September 1, 2014.

In response to questions raised about Mr. Duncan?s first visit to the hospital emergency department on the night of September 25th, we have thoroughly reviewed the chain of events. In the interest of transparency, and because we want other U.S. hospitals and providers to learn from our experience, we are, with Mr. Duncan?s permission, releasing this information.

In diagnosing potential causes of infectious diseases like Ebola, Texas Health Dallas care teams are trained to look for multiple indicators, including the following:



1. Does the patient present with symptoms that indicate potential communicable disease?
  • Mr. Duncan presented with a temperature of 100.1F, abdominal pain for two days, a sharp headache, and decreased urination. These symptoms could be associated with many communicable diseases, as well as many other types of illness. When he was asked whether he had nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea, he said no. Additionally, Mr. Duncan?s symptoms were not severe at the time he first visited the hospital emergency department.
2. Has the patient been around anyone who has been ill?
  • When Mr. Duncan was asked if he had been around anyone who had been ill, he said that he had not.
3. Has the patient traveled outside the United States in the last four weeks?
  • Mr. Duncan was asked if he had traveled outside the United States in the last four weeks, and he said that he had been in Africa. The nurse entered that information in the nursing workflow of the electronic health record.
When patients visit the emergency department, they are first assessed by a triage nurse. Then an intake nurse conducts a more thorough screening process that includes:
  • <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">vital signs; <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">general clinical assessment; <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">a neurological assessment; and <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">questions about major risk factors:
    • <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">domestic violence; <LI style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">tetanus status;
    • tuberculosis risk;
    • travel history outside the United States in the previous 4 weeks;
    • suicide risk assessment; and
    • falls risk assessment
Protocols were followed by both the physician and the nurses. However, we have identified a flaw in the way the physician and nursing portions of our electronic health records (EHR) interacted in this specific case. In our electronic health records, there are separate physician and nursing workflows.

The documentation of the travel history was located in the nursing workflow portion of the EHR, and was designed to provide a high reliability nursing process to allow for the administration of influenza vaccine under a physician-delegated standing order. As designed, the travel history would not automatically appear in the physician?s standard workflow.

As result of this discovery, Texas Health Dallas has relocated the travel history documentation to a portion of the EHR that is part of both workflows. It also has been modified to specifically reference Ebola-endemic regions in Africa. We have made this change to increase the visibility and documentation of the travel question in order to alert all providers. We feel that this change will improve the early identification of patients who may be at risk for communicable diseases, including Ebola.

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http://www.texashealth.org/body.cfm?id=1629&action=detail&ref=1871
 
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