Discussion thread IV - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

[kiwibird]

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3910853

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) head on Sunday (April 5) demonstrated how to disinfect a used mask with a rice cooker.

As surgical face masks are still in short supply despite a massive ramp-up in production, Health minister and CECC head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) during a press conference on Sunday, demonstrated how to use a rice cooker to disinfect a mask for reuse. During a light-hearted presentation, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Director-General Wu Shou-mei (吳秀梅) talked Chen through the simple steps of using a rice cooker to dry heat a mask to kill bacteria and viruses after use.

In the video, Wu directs Chen to place the metal rack at the bottom of the cooker. However, Chen accidentally places it in the bottom of the metal pot, prompting her to joke "the minister has never cooked rice before."

The room then erupts with laughter as Chen grins and shakes his head out of embarrassment. Wu then asks Chen to place the metal rack inside the cooker first, followed by the metal pot.

She then asks Chen to place a mask inside the metal pot and cover it with the cooker's lid. Wu quips that users must remember to plug in the rice cooker, inducing more laughs from the audience.

Next, she asks Chen to press the "cook" button on the device. However, Chen struggles mightily to locate the proper button, before being guided by Wu to the correct lever.

A light switches on indicating that the device is starting to cook the contents inside. Wu explains that after three minutes, the button will pop back up, meaning that it has finished its cooking cycle.

However, she advises users to allow the mask to continue to sit inside for another five minutes. She said that after that five-minute wait is over, the mask should be successfully disinfected.

Also in the video, she advises the public not to place water inside the cooker as would normally be the case when making rice and steaming foods as it will damage the mask. She reiterates that spraying disinfectant on the masks is a less desirable method than using a rice cooker because it could damage its electrostatic layer.

Wu states that a surgical face mask could be disinfected with the rice cooker method she demonstrated "four or five times." According to Wu, research on the procedure carried out by the FDA has found that the bacterial filtration efficiency (BFE) of the masks can be maintained at a level of 99 percent when dry heating the masks in this way, even after five times.

 

[Sally Furniss]

As surgical face masks are still in short supply despite a massive ramp-up in production, Health minister and CECC head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) during a press conference on Sunday, demonstrated how to use a rice cooker to disinfect a mask for reuse. During a light-hearted presentation, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Director-General Wu Shou-mei (吳秀梅) talked Chen through the simple steps of using a rice cooker to dry heat a mask to kill bacteria and viruses after use.

More info from above link ... " Lai said that certified surgical masks when new usually only have a filtering effectiveness rate of 80 percent, but with this method, the masks can be sterilized up to five times and still achieve a filtering effectiveness rate of 70 percent.

As for spraying the masks with alcohol or bleach, can damage their material and weaken their filtration capabilities. Lai said that spraying a surgical mask just once with alcohol or bleach can reduce its filtering capabilities by 50 percent, reported UDN.

In response to internet rumors that masks can be sterilized with hairdryers, Lai said that this method has not yet been tested. He said he does not recommend it because the sterilization effect achieved through using a hairdryer may be uneven"

 

[sharon sanders]

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A note: You are going to see slight variations in case, death, hospitalization counts. Govs tend to report once a day. Some media update continuously. These small differences are not significant.

What you want to look for is the overall trend over several days.

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Here is our scientific library on COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2. Our entire team adds pertinent papers. "tetano", who is a pediatrician in Italy, is the volunteer curator - still posting while seeing patients.

If there is a paper we don't have plz let us know.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library…



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Again, we are so sorry for all of the suffering that everyone is going through. Us too.

Take care of you.

#coronavirus


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Our homemade mask forum: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/discussion-how-to-make-a-mask…

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[sharon sanders]

Posting for posterity only



The latest situation of the new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic situation as of 24:00 on April 6

Release time: 2020-04-07 Source: Health Emergency Office


　　From 0 to 24:00 on April 6, 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 32 newly confirmed cases, all imported cases; no new deaths; 12 new suspected cases, all Import cases for overseas.
　　On the same day, 89 newly discharged cases were cured, 2365 close contacts were released from medical observation, and 54 severe cases were reduced.
　　There are 698 confirmed cases imported overseas (including 21 severe cases) and 89 suspected cases. A total of 983 cases were diagnosed and 285 cases were discharged and no deaths were found.
　　As of 24:00 on April 6, according to the reports of 31 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, there were 1242 confirmed cases (211 severe cases), 77167 cases were discharged, and 3331 cases were dead. A total of 81,740 confirmed cases were reported, and 89 suspected cases are currently available. A total of 714720 close contacts were tracked, and 14499 close contacts were still under medical observation.
　　There were no newly confirmed cases in Hubei, 59 new cases were cured and discharged (59 cases in Wuhan), and there were no new deaths. There are 518 confirmed cases (515 cases in Wuhan), including 184 severe cases (181 cases in Wuhan). A total of 64,073 cases were discharged from hospital (46,922 in Wuhan), 3,212 cases were dead (2571 in Wuhan), and 67,803 cases were diagnosed (50008 in Wuhan). There are no new suspected cases and no existing suspected cases.
　　31 provinces (autonomous regions, municipalities directly under the Central Government) and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps reported 30 new cases of asymptomatic infections, including 9 cases of asymptomatic infections imported from abroad; 2 cases of confirmed cases that day (two cases imported overseas); Observed 42 cases (7 cases were imported from abroad). 1033 cases of asymptomatic infection are still under medical observation (275 cases were imported from abroad).
　　A total of 1331 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 914 cases in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (216 discharged and 4 deaths), 44 cases in the Macau Special Administrative Region (10 discharged), and 373 cases in Taiwan (57 discharged and 5 deaths) ).

 
 
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http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/20200...f9fd2fe9.shtml

The report above gives the false impression that this pandemic will simply end one day. Bingo - no more COVID-19. Go back to your normal life.

This will not happen. This disease is endemic in humans now. It will ebb and flow through the world's populations until we achieve global herd immunity - or a safe and efficient vaccine is developed.

Expect various life disruptions for a year.

 

[drlipton]

Thanks!

 

[bertrand789]

Une simple remarque que, si vous trouvez non apte, pour ce lieu, vous pouvez la supprimer:
quand une compagnie am?ricaine, se prend les pieds dans le tapis, pour des questions de certification, d'agr?ment, de morts humaines, etc, c'est ?trange, mais ensuite et pour la premi?re fois de l'histoire de l'aviation, sauf pour une vraie guerre, on supprime les vols pour tout le monde, bien s?r, pour un autre motif

Ce monde: l'aviation est plus que criticable, il ne paye pas de taxe, il pollue ( les toilettes sont d?vers?es en vol ) sans jamais ?tre responsabilis? et responsabilisable. Il est pour la premi?re fois stopper, ce serait bien qu'il ne puisse reprendre sans que bien des dossiers soient pos?s sur la table et aplanis...


Qui aurait pu imaginer avant l'accident industriel de cette compagnie que cela soit possible ?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspen...Boeing_737_Max
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

Maintenant c'est fait, donc, cela devrait ?tre regard? avec beaucoup de soin ...

Le langage de guerre me fatigue, je lis bien trop souvent sur la guerre ?conomique, d?sormais, on a droit en plus ? la guerre sanitaire, sur fond de guerre ?conomique.

franchement se battre ? coup de billet sur un tarmac pour quelques paquets de masques...

Cette Reine, n'en a pas us? :
http://www.evangeliques.info/article...ion-21222.html

La comp?tition, oui, mais la guerre, non.

La guerre , cela a quand m?me quelques r?gles, et quelques concepts, sont en place pour limiter certains comportements. Ce n'est donc, de mon point de vue, pas un hasard si celui d'imp?ritie, n'est pas mieux ?clairer...
https://artflsrv03.uchicago.edu/phil...imp%C3%A9ritie

 

[Treyfish]

Report: Wuhan Funeral Homes Burned Coronavirus Victims Alive
Virginia Mayo/AP
7 Apr 2020105:38
Locals in Wuhan, where the Chinese coronavirus pandemic originated, have heard screams coming from funeral home furnaces, and some treated in hospitals say they saw workers put living coronavirus patients in body bags, Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported on Monday.

RFA noted that it could not independently verify that the Chinese Communist Party was burning coronavirus patients alive, nor has the Communist Party confirmed or denied the rumors. Yet the rumors persist that, to make room for new patients in Wuhan’s overcrowded hospitals, medical staff chose older patients less likely to survive the infection and shipped them to incinerators while they were still alive and conscious... https://www.inquisitr.com/5985896/wu...-burned-alive/

 

[sharon sanders]

Now we are encouraging you to start a garden. Even in an apartment. COVID-19 will linger all year. Limit the # of times you have to go out for fresh fruit & veggies.

Order online seeds, etc.

Pandemic Garden forum (updating in process):

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/personal-family-professional-emergency-preparedness/long-term-preps-incl-gardening…

#coronavirus

 

[sharon sanders]

A shout-out to all of our gardeners. Please take a look at our Pandemic Gardening forum and update.


https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...incl-gardening



Thanks!

 

[drlipton]

Hello Sharon and friends, I am a psychiatrist, with decades of experience dealing with existential threat as well as the ordinary horrors of life. I tried to join the Melissa Hein Forum and the web site did not allow me to subscribe. So, I would like to subscribe, and then see what happens. Sometimes I write best when it is to a person with a singular question. If people pose questions on the Forum, I'd be happy to chime in. I feel that it is important to keep the reality of this catastrophe personal, with heart. Stalin is alleged to have said, "“If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics.” I see one aspect of my job is to be constantly open to tragedy, not to develop psychic numbing or indifference. Please let me know if there is a way to open this up.

 

[Emily]

I wonder if the importance of bacterial co-infections is being underestimated?

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...he-program-metaphlan2-when-they-clearly-exist

 

[cartski]

Sorry, for personal mental health, I haven’t been putting that much time into reading deeply into the FT posts. So likely this is dealt with elsewhere.

Press has been relying on IHME estimates, recently for Ireland https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...g-gardaí-powers-to-enforce-lockdown-1.4223043 and with comments about the US. As well, there’s a lot of hostile discussion on a Facebook group about the Tour Divide, which is an ultra-distance bicycle event from Banff to Antelope Wells New Mexico. Some, like me, think it’s foolish to start the trip, typically in June, and unwanted by the small communities, border rules, etc. Others are pointing to IHME estimates in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico to argue that fatal peaks will be rescued very soon and projections end the outbreak by July anyway (so just delay the start). I think that is bunk - loca (Manitoba) experts are talking about no real end to severe restriction until a vaccine arrives 12-18 months away.

But the real question is what’s the reliability assessment of IHME’s projections? Do they make sense, are they skewed by lack of data, or are they influenced by wishful thinking politics?

Thanks,

J.

 

[sharon sanders]

I think they are only projecting this current wave. I do not think they are modeling for the fall yet. It is foolhardy for anyone to think that COVID-19 will "go away" this summer. It will still be circulating but the heat in the northern hemisphere may tap down some of the environmental contamination aspects. This is going to be a year long situation (at least) until the global herd immunity reaches a level where the disease can not get a lot of traction to spread. Or we get a safe and effective vaccine.

 

[sharon sanders]

...unless it mutates...

 

[JJackson]

Sadly I think Sharon is right. One point that may help HCWs and other high risk individuals is plasma. Herd immunity is not going to saves us anytime soon as our one million or so cases is 0.01% of the population in 3 months. That means years at this level to get anywhere near herd immunity even as a breaking effect. I think outcomes may be much better once we get reliable large scale trial data. Combination therapy with a mix of timed immune suppressants looks promising. Serology data should become available soon and we might get lucky and find there have been more asymptomatic cases than we thought.

 

[JJackson]

I saw that one too but I do not think it is a significant factor. In seasonal flu bacterial infections come late in disease progression and causes secondary pneumonia. SARS-2 is killing the alveolar epithelial cells which leads to primary pneumonia allowing body fluids into the lung. The damage caused leads to a cytokine storm that calls in a host of immune cells that then do more damage. The body tries to patch the leaks with fibroid cells but these block oxygen diffusion. It is the combined triple effect that is making this so nasty. The bacterial co-infections are too slow at getting going. One NY ICU doctor said they seem to be running at ~2% but that they were not a big factor.

 

[senegal1]

Thanks Supa for the reply.

 

[senegal1]

Thanks kiwibird.

 

[sharon sanders]

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We are asking all of followers who are religious to please not go to Easter Sunday services in person.

Please attend a virtual service online.

Social distancing of 6 feet is not enough if someone has a cough.

Singing can spread disease.

Please.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/ideas-on-how-to-protect-yourself-from-new-coronavirus-2019-ncov/discussion-how-to-make-a-mask/846529-jama-turbulent-gas-clouds-and-respiratory-pathogen-emissions-potential-implications-for-reducing-transmission-of-covid-19

 

[Emily]

Remember it's not over until Brunhilda sings. Don't put down unrefundable deposits until that happens. IHME is a reputable group founded by the Gates Foundation. They won't sell the pandemic short, but when data changes, so will projections.