Discussion thread IV - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

[cartski]

But can a bacterial infection also precede the CoV-2 infection? Victim has a nasal infection or upper respiro infection, with a typical long tail of coughing during recovery, and the is more susceptible to viral infection or worse outcomes? and more of a “asymptomatic” carrier because the cough is self-diagnosed by the prior bacterial infection?

 

[cartski]

Doesn’t this contradict # 158 above - Britain found only 1/3 patients with antibodies?

 

[bertrand789]

Avis du Conseil scientifique COVID-19 2 avril 2020 Etat des lieux du confinement et crit?res de sortie
http://www.datapressepremium.com/rmd...2AVRIL2020.pdf

un lieu pour lister ce type d'avis et proposer une analyse compar?e ?

 

[bertrand789]

Autre question, sachant que, par exemple, il y en a beaucoup d'arm?es avec du personnel sous anti-palud?ens ? l'ann?e, et vu ceci :

Signe encourageant, selon Cheikh Sokhna, la pr?valence du coronavirus semble moins importante dans les zones o? l’utilisation d’antipalud?ens, comme la chloroquine ou la m?floquine, est fr?quente. ? Cela se voit de mani?re tr?s grossi?re. Mais il faudra int?grer d’autres facteurs avant de tirer des conclusions d?finitives ?, ajoute, ? la fois enthousiaste et prudent, le chercheur s?n?galais, en poste d’ordinaire ? Marseille mais actuellement en mission de longue dur?e ? Dakar.
http://www.24jours.com/didier-raoult...a-chloroquine/

https://www.editions.ird.fr/auteur/696/Cheikh Sokhna

Un lien vers le publi?, accessible, des grandes muettes qui sont toutes concern?es ...

Enfin, un souhait pour Tetano : des liens pour expliquer ceci :
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinar...ovid-19-humans

 

[Gert van der Hoek]

Stanford’s Dr. Ioannidis: Reliable Data Can End the COVID-19 Lockdown

NEW YORK – Dr. Ioannis P.A. Ioannidis is the C.F. Rehnborg Chair in Disease Prevention, a Professor of Medicine, Health Research and Policy, Biomedical Data Science, and Statistics. He is also the co-Director, Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford University. Dr. Ioannidis spoke with The National Herald and expressed his belief that humanity can successfully deal with the threat of COVID-19 through the proper collection and use of data, in the hope that the “blind” solution – a solution not based entirely on the data – of lockdowns need not be used again.

Dr. Ioannidis also emphasized that he never questioned the need to adhere to the social distancing measures. Rather, he clarified, he said that he does not consider the mortality of COVID-19 to be as high as initially estimated, or that shutting down the economy should be a long lasting policy.

Regarding Greece, he expressed confidence that the outbreak will pass in Greece without painful consequences, but stressed that he remains concerned about the impact of the lockdown measures if they are of long duration.

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... SNIPS :

How do you interpret the New York phenomenon?

Dr. Ioannidis: New York is a case similar to specific Italian cities. In New York…in some areas, hospitals are reminiscent war zones every day, areas containing many of our poor, neglected, and marginalized fellow human beings.

A second reason is that New York made the same mistake that as Italy: it is/was wrong to send masses of patients to hospitals. Patients should not be hospitalized if they do not truly need to be. We have seen in hospitals that are full that there is a problem with patients getting nosocomial infections – illnesses they pick up in the hospital – and doctors became infected with coronavirus. This causes secondary problems because infected doctors are withdrawn and available staff is reduced. I think that’s what happened in New York.

In fact, the likelihood of someone dying from coronavirus is much lower than we initially thought. Word was getting around that if you caught the virus, you were going to die. I estimate that the mortality rate will be slightly – but not spectacularly – higher than the seasonal flu.

 

[Vibrant62]

JJackson Seems I may be correct in some of my thinking, I hope not all. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9#ref-CR9

 

[gsgs]

Interesting - especially if it will work
AI app can detect coronavirus from sound of cough
app records sound of cough and predicts whether one has coronavirus
https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-cough-coronavirus-16145/

every worker/pupil must wear a smartphone with microphone and thermometer permanently connected to the healthoffice-computer !
... and then comes the cough-police with the COVID-test

 

[gsgs]

in Gangelt/Heinsberg they did start social distancing and testing/isolation. So it could be entirely different in other communities.
Depends on the measures and how well people comply.

 

[Vibrant62]

Also SARS-CoV-2 invades host cells via a novel route: CD147-spike protein
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.14.988345v1

 

[sharon sanders]

FluTrackers.com
@FluTrackers
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We are calling for a public International Court concerning COVID-19.

Especially a determination whether crimes against humanity have been committed.

For 2021. Not now.

No matter what public relations campaigns are undertaken, the truth will be revealed.

 

[JJackson]

Sharon is someone thought to have committed a crime? I have not seen anything about crimes having been committed.

 

[flatlander]

"For example in those cluster investigations they have determined that only one in five people actually spread the infection further; 80% of people don't spread the infection further in these cluster investigations, which means there's a particular sub-group of individuals who, potentially for different reasons - infection can spread more easily." Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO from the Friday April 10, 2020 press briefing call.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings

This was based off of the cluster tracing they are doing in Japan. So my question is did anyone pick up on this? Has anyone seen any data out of Japan, or is that something that wouldn't be put out there quite yet? I would be curious to see if they have been able to pinpoint further maybe why some spread and some don't. I hope this helps in understanding spread further and will help with future contact tracing, etc. I know people are thinking that this is more present out in the community but I fear we may never know for sure because of the antibody challenges showing in up in the early studies.

Curious what anyone in the groups thoughts are, this seemed to stick with me over the weekend so I thought I would toss it out there.

 

[sharon sanders]

There is no accusation of a crime. It is a request for an International Court review.

 

[Steffi]

Spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the Icelandic Population



https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

 

[Treyfish]

"For example in those cluster investigations they have determined that only one in five people actually spread the infection further; 80% of people don't spread the infection further in these cluster investigations, which means there's a particular sub-group of individuals who, potentially for different reasons - infection can spread more easily." Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO from the Friday April 10, 2020 press briefing call.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings

This was based off of the cluster tracing they are doing in Japan. So my question is did anyone pick up on this? Has anyone seen any data out of Japan, or is that something that wouldn't be put out there quite yet? I would be curious to see if they have been able to pinpoint further maybe why some spread and some don't. I hope this helps in understanding spread further and will help with future contact tracing, etc. I know people are thinking that this is more present out in the community but I fear we may never know for sure because of the antibody challenges showing in up in the early studies.

Curious what anyone in the groups thoughts are, this seemed to stick with me over the weekend so I thought I would toss it out there.

i got some china reports :tiphat:
Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion

March 12th, 2020, 06:54 AM
Coronavirus Can Live in Patients for Five Weeks After Contagion

Claire Che, Bloomberg News
(Bloomberg) --

Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks. :tiphat:https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...fter-contagion

:tiphat:https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...hort-for-women

:tiphat:Rare coronavirus patient’s mild symptoms but long illness may point to ‘chronic’ mutation: researchers

March 31st, 2020, 08:16 PM
Rare coronavirus patient’s mild symptoms but long illness may point to ‘chronic’ mutation: researchers

• Potential ‘chronic patients’ may have prolonged ability to infect their surroundings, Chinese researchers warn
• ‘The virus and the host may even form a symbiotic relationship,’ they say:tiphat:https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...on-researchers

 

[bertrand789]

je me sens belle : https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo Un superbe document, ? d?guster totalement, qui a un manque:


Il n'est pas abord?: la m?decine traditionnelle chinoise, son organisation, sa production, son encadrement, et surtout, la vision qu'a l'O.MS sur cela et la communication de l'O.M.S sur ce sujet ?

"Il n'existe pas de consensus sur la d?finition de ce qui constitue une m?decine, ni une m?decine traditionnelle, ni une m?decine traditionnelle chinoise. Selon l'OMS :

? La m?decine traditionnelle est la somme totale des connaissances, savoirs-faire et pratiques, bas?e sur les th?ories, croyances et exp?riences appartenant ? diff?rentes cultures, qu'elles soient explicables ou pas, utilis?es aussi bien pour le maintien de la sant? que pour la pr?vention, le diagnostic, l'am?lioration ou le traitement des maladies physiques et mentales ?[SUP]5[/SUP]."

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A...nelle_chinoise


"Le Comit? permanent du Congr?s national du peuple chinois a adopt? la premi?re loi du pays sur la MTC en 2016, qui devrait entrer en vigueur le 1er juillet 2017. La nouvelle loi a normalis? les certifications de la MTC en exigeant des praticiens de la MTC (i) qu'ils r?ussissent les examens administr?s par les autorit?s provinciales de la MTC et ( ii) obtenir des recommandations de deux praticiens certifi?s. Les produits et services TCM ne peuvent ?tre annonc?s qu'avec l'approbation de l'autorit? TCM locale."

"?tats-Unis [ modifier ]

En juillet 2012, seuls six ?tats n'avaient pas de l?gislation existante pour r?glementer la pratique professionnelle de la MTC. Ces six ?tats sont l' Alabama , le Kansas , le Dakota du Nord , le Dakota du Sud , l' Oklahoma et le Wyoming . En 1976, la Californie a cr?? un conseil d'acupuncture et est devenu le premier acupuncteur professionnel agr?? par l'?tat"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradit...inese_medicine​

 

[kiwibird]

Google translated your post -
I feel beautiful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo A superb document, to taste completely, which has a lack:


It is not addressed: traditional Chinese medicine, its organization, its production, its supervision, and above all, the vision that the WHO has on this and the communication of the WHO on this subject?

"There is no consensus on the definition of what constitutes medicine, traditional medicine or traditional Chinese medicine. According to the WHO:
"Traditional medicine is the sum total of knowledge, skills and practices, based on the theories, beliefs and experiences belonging to different cultures, whether explicable or not, used as well for the maintenance of health as for prevention, diagnosis, improvement or treatment of physical and mental illness "5."

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A...nelle_chinoise


"The Standing Committee of the National People's Congress of China adopted the country's first TCM law in 2016, which is expected to come into force on July 1, 2017. The new law standardized TCM certifications by requiring TCM practitioners (i) they pass exams administered by the provincial TCM authorities and (ii) obtain recommendations from two certified practitioners TCM products and services can only be advertised with the approval of the local TCM authority . "

"United States [edit]

As of July 2012, only six states had no existing legislation to regulate the professional practice of TCM. These six states are Alabama, Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma and Wyoming. In 1976 California established an acupuncture board and became the first state-licensed professional acupuncturist "

 

[kiwibird]

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20...html?utm_int=news-new_contents_list-items_100

This is the only Japanese article I can find about clusters - all in Sendai. I will keep looking.

 

[kiwibird]

"For example in those cluster investigations they have determined that only one in five people actually spread the infection further; 80% of people don't spread the infection further in these cluster investigations, which means there's a particular sub-group of individuals who, potentially for different reasons - infection can spread more easily." Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO from the Friday April 10, 2020 press briefing call.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/media-resources/press-briefings

This was based off of the cluster tracing they are doing in Japan. So my question is did anyone pick up on this? Has anyone seen any data out of Japan, or is that something that wouldn't be put out there quite yet? I would be curious to see if they have been able to pinpoint further maybe why some spread and some don't. I hope this helps in understanding spread further and will help with future contact tracing, etc. I know people are thinking that this is more present out in the community but I fear we may never know for sure because of the antibody challenges showing in up in the early studies.

Curious what anyone in the groups thoughts are, this seemed to stick with me over the weekend so I thought I would toss it out there.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3916558

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) on Wednesday (April 15) announced two new cases of Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), bringing the total to 395.

During his daily press conference on Wednesday afternoon, Health Minister and CECC head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) announced there were two new coronavirus cases detected in the country that day. Both of the new cases were imported from the U.S., one of whom was aboard the doomed China Airlines flight from New York to Taiwan which has already reported a number of infections.

Other than the cluster cases in Sendai that I commented on in Treyfish's post this flight seems to have had someone very efficient at spreading.

Case No. 394, a woman in her 60s, was aboard the ill-fated China Airlines (CAL) flight CI011, which arrived in Taiwan from New York on March 30. The CECC carried out testing on all passengers and crew from the jet from April 11 to 15, and case No. 394 is the latest to be diagnosed, bringing the total to 12.

Might be worth tracking the Index case.

 

[kiwibird]

It was from New York JFK