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Doctors warn virus can 'quickly' kill young and healthy

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A funeral is being held this week for a vital, vibrant Baptist minister felled by the flu.

Rev. Perry Chernesky, 42, is believed to be the fifth Manitoban with a confirmed case of the H1N1 virus to die. His service is Thursday at 10:30 a.m. at Oakbank Baptist Church.

The swift passing of the much-loved husband and active father has people asking how can the H1N1 flu virus kill someone who is relatively young and healthy?

"Very quickly," said Dr. Anand Kumar at the Health Sciences Centre intensive care unit. "It's not really known how."

A Manitoba child and a Winnipeg man in his 40s who had no known significant underlying health conditions also succumbed to the illness in June.

Kumar can't talk about individual patients but said doctors are trying to unravel the mystery of the H1N1 virus on the fly.

"We're seeing four different syndromes among people who are critically ill," he said. In severe cases, people's lungs can't work and they need to have tubes stuck down their throats connecting them to ventilators, or breathing machines.

In one group, it's the older, debilitated person who may have some degrees of organ failure like renal failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which makes it hard to breathe. The flu can tip them over the line and into needing life support. He said there are five or 10 per cent of severe flu cases in this category, and the ones who get better usually are off the breathing machines within a few days.

In the second group are people with asthma or bronchospastic COPD. The flu can give them an "extremely bad asthma flare-up," said Kumar. "They may end up in the ICU requiring ventilation for several weeks."

In the third group are toddlers and preschoolers who get bronchitis or croup and don't require ICU care.

The fourth "signature" type of H1N1 infection results in a "white out" of the lungs as they fill up with fluids, said Kumar.

"They drown in their own fluids." He said 80 per cent of these cases in which people are so "incredibly ill" they are, for the most part, young and healthy. They may have hypertension or be smokers or pregnant, but they're relatively young.


Kumar said there are different theories about how it is they get so sick so fast.

"Some have suggested people have such a robust response to the virus" it results in a cytokine storm of inflammatory hormones, which causes a lot of damage.

"My own feeling is what we're seeing is a virus which normally affects the upper respiratory tract with a running nose and a sore throat, for some reason, gets down into lungs," said Kumar. There, the virus replicates quickly.


"We're trying, with very aggressive research, to figure out some of these things."

In the meantime, preventing the spread of the virus is all people can do.

"The best thing is not to get an infection in the first place," said Dr. John Embil.

Wash your hands, stay home if you're sick and, when the flu shot is ready, make sure you get it, said Embil, the medical director of infection prevention and control unit at HSC.

"The vaccine, every year, is the best possible prediction of what viruses might be in the environment," said Embil. "They'll try and include this specific strain and others that may be circulating in future," said Embil. "It's the best possible prediction-- not a guarantee." There are still immunity benefits from taking it, he said.

But it's no silver bullet because viruses change over time.

"It's Darwin in action -- survival of the fittest," said Embil. "Any germ will try and modify itself to survive in a host."

And the vaccine takes several weeks to work.

Seek help if symptoms serious, experts warn

ANYONE who develops serious flu-like symptoms should seek immediate medical attention, because no one can predict when the H1N1 flu will turn life-threatening in otherwise healthy people, infectious disease experts are warning.

Severe cases are occurring in which the infection starts off like regular seasonal flu, with fever and cough, but then the lungs rapidly become inflamed and stop functioning.

"It looks to most of us like a primary viral pneumonia that deteriorates five or six days into therapy," says Dr. Allison McGeer, director of infection control at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital. "It's really severe illness."

"If you're young and healthy, you can recover from that severe lung injury. People do. But it takes a very long time," McGeer said. "Sometimes we're talking about a month, five weeks on a ventilator before you are breathing on your own. Some people can be left with so much residual lung damage, they will have abnormal lungs for their lifetime," she said.

But McGeer said attempting to identify whom this happens to "is the same as trying to pick out people who, faced with Group A (streptococcus), get necrotizing fasciitis -- flesh-eating disease -- when most of the rest of us get nothing, or minor illness," McGeer said. "The parallel is, I think, identical."


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-quickly-kill-young-and-healthy-50212127.html
 
Re: Doctors warn virus can 'quickly' kill young and healthy

A comment to this newspaper item states:

"The pastor was hospitalized with pneumonia prior to getting the virus. He did have a pre-existing condition. It is getting tiring to read news stories that are so inaccurate."

The family says they will make a public statement after the funeral on Thursday. Hopefully there will be some clarification of underlying conditions and possible transmission links then.

The statement in the press:

"ANYONE who develops serious flu-like symptoms should seek immediate medical attention, because no one can predict when the H1N1 flu will turn life-threatening in otherwise healthy people, infectious disease experts are warning."

is not the same as the statements coming from MB Health and the Chief Medical Officer of Health in their press releases:

". If you have symptoms of a more severe or serious illness such as shortness of breath, dehydration or severe weakness, then you should seek immediate medical care. If other symptoms such as coughs or fever get worse, you should also see your health-care provider. If serious symptoms appear, get worse or you do not get better as you normally would (within two to three days) you should promptly see your health-care provider even if you have already visited them about your illness. "

It's a good chance that "serious" in the WFP article will get overlooked by readers, and a rush of cases reported at hospitals and clinics.
 
Re: Doctors warn virus can 'quickly' kill young and healthy

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...or-latest-victim-of-swine-flu/article1208579/

Healthy pastor latest victim of swine flu

43-year-old from rural Manitoba an example of how H1N1 differs from normal influenza: victims in Canada have been younger, sicker and have required more time on ventilators

Gloria Galloway and Dakshana Bascaramurty

Ottawa and Toronto ? Last updated on Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 10:05AM EDT

The latest Canadian victims of the pandemic virus that has claimed more than 400 lives worldwide include an apparently healthy pastor of a church in rural Manitoba ? a hockey-playing father who fell ill on Father's Day.

The members of the Oakbank Baptist Church in Oakbank, a village just east of Winnipeg, were told at a church service on Sunday that Perry Chernesky had died from H1N1 at the age of 43.

His sister said Monday that family members were grieving and did not wish to speak publicly about their loss.

But Mr. Chernesky's neighbours were in shock. ?He was healthy as far as I know. I don't think he had any medical conditions,? said one person who lives nearby, but who asked not to be identified.

In the past few weeks, Mr. Chernesky, a father of two young daughters, had not been outside his house. ?Then one of our neighbours said that [his wife] Claudia said she was sorry for her [neglect of] yard work, but that he'd been really sick,? said the neighbour.

A newsletter put out by another Baptist church in the province said that Mr. Chernesky was taken to Concordia Hospital in Winnipeg on June 21 and placed in isolation for ?double pneumonia.?

Howard Bredin, a close friend of Mr. Chernesky who was also a board member of the church, told the CBC the pastor had played hockey this winter. ?He was healthy and that was basically the story there,? Mr. Bredin said.

The Public Health Agency of Canada normally releases new statistics about the spread of the virus every Monday, Wednesday and Friday afternoon. They were not available late Monday and agency officials did not explain why.

As of this past Friday, the number of people across Canada who have died of the virus was 29. But there were at least three deaths over the weekend, including that of Mr. Chernesky.

The H1N1 virus, which is also called swine flu, differs from ordinary influenza in three key ways: its victims in Canada have been younger, sicker and have required more time on ventilators.

?At the start of H1N1, when it was reported in Mexico, we went out and bought between 15 and 20 new ventilators,? Heidi Graham, spokeswoman for the Winnipeg Regional Health Authority, said Monday.

The federal government has announced it will increase own stockpile of ventilators from 170 to 500. And provinces from one side of the country to the other are deciding if they should do the same.

?We're in the process of working with the district health authorities and Emergency Health Services to assess ventilator capacity, including the number of ventilators and the staff they have to operate the equipment,? Nicole Watkins Campbell, a spokeswoman for Nova Scotia's Department of Health, said in an e-mail.

British Columbia had 976 ventilators in use as of May. A spokesman for that province's Health Ministry said officials are trying to decide whether that will get them through the next flu season, given the Manitoba experience.

In New Brunswick, where there are 106 ventilators, provincial health authorities are assessing the inventory to see if it will stand up against what is now known about human swine flu.

Quebec's Minister of Health and Social Services, Yves Bolduc, told reporters Monday that the province is well equipped with ventilators to face the pandemic expected to sweep the country this fall.

But, in the event of a shortage, Mr. Bolduc said many operating rooms are equipped with ventilators and that minor surgical operations could be postponed so that the ventilators can be used instead to combat swine flu.
 
Re: Doctors warn virus can 'quickly' kill young and healthy

A comment to this newspaper item states:

"The pastor was hospitalized with pneumonia prior to getting the virus.

I don't put much stock in that comment. It's more likely that the pneumonia was a sequela of the viral infection.
 
Re: Doctors warn virus can 'quickly' kill young and healthy

#3:
"But, in the event of a shortage, Mr. Bolduc said many operating rooms are equipped with ventilators and that minor surgical operations could be postponed so that the ventilators can be used instead to combat swine flu. "


"Many", with the cuted hospital standards worldwide?

That will be a hard one.

Where was that one post telling (earlier posted) about a USA city having 5x-100? ventilators for 100.000 people?

Is this the developed country median number? 1:1000?

And the under-developing number?
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