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Husband of Spanish nurse pleads for life of their dog - euthanized

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crof comments on his blog:

"If the couple had had a pet bat, or a pet chimpanzee that seemed to be ailing, euthanasia might seem reasonable. I don't know what scientific knowledge the government was drawing on, but I've never seen any mention of dogs as either infected by, or transmitting Ebola.

This is reminiscent of the Egyptian government's freakout during the H1N1 swine flu pandemic: They ordered the slaughter of countless pigs, which in Egypt had been used as living garbage recyclers. So garbage just piled up, and Egyptians continued to fall ill with H1N1."

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2014/10/ebola-in-spain-nurses-pet-dog-will-die.html


He is correct about the Egyptian pig slaughter.
 
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A knee-jerk reaction. No one takes my dog. I would stay home :pawprint::pawprint::pawprint::pawprint: if needed rather than allow my dog to be put down.
 
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M?s de 201.000 personas piden en Internet que el perro de la auxiliar de enfermer?a no sea sacrificado

M?s de 201.000 personas han secundado este martes el llamamiento de Javier Lim?n, esposo de la auxiliar de enfermer?a contagiada de ?bola, para que su perro 'Exc?libur' no sea sacrificado si no se confirma que existe un riesgo real de contagio.

Carmen S?nchez ha recogido este llamamiento y ha creado una petici?n en la web www.change.org en la que se pide poner en cuarentena o aislamiento a la mascota del matrimonio en lugar de sacrificarlo y que este martes hab?a recogido m?s de 201.000 apoyos hasta poco despu?s de las doce y media de la madrugada.

"No es justo que adem?s del contagio del ?bola por parte de la auxiliar a consecuencia de la falta de medios, pierdan al perro por un simple capricho, cuando es mucho m?s f?cil aislarlo o ponerlo en cuarentena igual que han hecho con el marido de la v?ctima. Si est? chica falleciera para su marido el perro, que los ha acompa?ado a?os atr?s, ser?a un apoyo emocional importante. Para esta pareja no es "s?lo" un perro, es uno m?s de la familia", se explica en la petici?n p?blica.

Javier Lim?n, que permanece ingresado en observaci?n en el Hospital La Paz-Carlos III, ha hecho un llamamiento a trav?s de las redes sociales y organizaciones animalistas para que su mascota no sea sacrificada, tal y como ha ordenado la Comunidad de Madrid para garantizar que no existe riesgo de contagio.

Leer m?s: http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/m...iliar-de-enfermeria-no-sea.html#ixzz3FVrDk23t
S?guenos en: https://twitter.com/@LaVanguardia | http://facebook.com/LaVanguardia


The petition is here:

https://www.change.org/p/a-los-que-sea-m%C3%ADnimamente-sensibles-poner-en-cuarentena-o-aislamiento-al-perro-de-la-auxiliar-infectada-por-%C3%A9bola-en-lugar-de-sacrificarlo

At the time of posting on this forum, there are 227 617 signatures, missing 72 383 more.
 
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Thank you, FrenchieGirl!
 
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Discussion forum, yes, so I'm discussing this item:

Posted on my Twitter account: 2371 followers, Facebook 817 friends. I suggest all those who agree do the same, it's got to be done fast. If you need some text to get FB people to share in other languages, send a pm, I have it in English (obviously) French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Danish, Finnish and Russian

Thank you.
 
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I'm seeing relatively good sources on twitter saying that they went ahead and euthanized the dog today. I will look for a good link.

I think this is a terrible public health decision in the absence of any decent scientific evidence that would give reason to think any dog was capable of actually hosting or spreading the disease at all, even if they are exposed.

If I had exposure, I sure wouldn't want to come forward only to have them them euthanize my dogs or cats, especially unless they had an actual good reason to do so. They're my family and they put all of their trust and faith in me. Pets aren't just like livestock. The message they just sent is awful.

Public health itself relies on earning trust and making harsh decisions carefully, not just knee-jerking in ways that cause harm to people.

On top of that, they essentially just sent the message that even random other animals are terrifying in this. Are they going to tell everybody to "stay calm" when somebody asks whether it can be spread by rats or mice?

Messaging aside, I also think it's terribly cruel to the family, and for no particularly clear reason. If I were them, the authorities would have to _hope_ I didn't recover, I would be absolutely outraged.
 
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spit said:
I'm seeing relatively good sources on twitter saying that they went ahead and euthanized the dog today. I will look for a good link.

I think this is a terrible public health decision in the absence of any decent scientific evidence that would give reason to think any dog was capable of actually hosting or spreading the disease at all, even if they are exposed.
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I too think this is a terrible decision but then again in the USA publicly funded, government "shelters" routinely kill about 3,000,000 healthy, adoptable cats and dogs each year simply for the "crime" of being homeless and their allotted time is up, even when they have not run out of space.
 
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CNN:

"Madrid health authorities have put down Ebola patient Teresa Romero Ramos' dog, Excalibur, despite protests. The animal was sedated prior to euthanasia to avoid its suffering, the Health Ministry of Madrid said in a statement.

More than 330,000 people had signed a petition on Change.org to save Excalibur. Ramos, a nurse's assistant, is in isolation after testing positive for the deadly Ebola virus earlier this week. Health authorities worried her dog may have also become infected.

Which warrants the questions: Can dogs really get Ebola and spread it to humans? What about other animals?" ...
 
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Spain, Amid Protests, Kills Dog of Ebola-Infected Nurse
By RAPHAEL MINDER and PAM BELLUCKOCT. 8, 2014

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The death of Excalibur, a 12-year old rescue dog, was confirmed to reporters by Javier Rodr?guez, an official from Madrid?s regional government, and the corpse was expected to be cremated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/science/ebola-dog-excalibur-nurse-spain.html?ref=health
 
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Very sad, but not surprised to hear that the dog was put down. And regarding the millions of dogs and cats (and other animals too) that die in so-called shelters every year in the US, we've got a lot to answer for.
 
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I think it's so important for health officials to consider the full impact of the actions they are taking in this outbreak. Many people treat their pets (especially dogs) as family members. I can see how people from this point forward will make sure their dog is not available to authorities when they report to a hospital. Assuming dogs can even carry the virus, that will accomplish the exact opposite of what public health officials hope to achieve.

I am just shaking my head at some of the misalignment of incentives in just about every case so far. The blaming of victims, the forced quarantine, the scrambling for a "safe house" to prevent harassment of exposed family... It's starting to seem crazy that anyone would actually voluntarily turn to authorities in these situations, especially if life expectancy is not markedly improved by doing so.

Dangerous precedents.
 
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Hippocrates Oath: Primum Non Nocere​

Have the authorities bothered to ask Teresa's doctors if killing the dog would be likely to hurt her health?

She is at death's door and has to weather the stress of losing her "baby" through the half-baked reasoning of some politicians? They could have quarantined the dog until she was out of danger.

I hope Teresa survives and sues right from local courts up to the European Court of Justice for the torture and inhuman treatment she has just received.
 
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Chicagogal said:
I think it's so important for health officials to consider the full impact of the actions they are taking in this outbreak. Many people treat their pets (especially dogs) as family members. I can see how people from this point forward will make sure their dog is not available to authorities when they report to a hospital. Assuming dogs can even carry the virus, that will accomplish the exact opposite of what public health officials hope to achieve.

I am just shaking my head at some of the misalignment of incentives in just about every case so far. The blaming of victims, the forced quarantine, the scrambling for a "safe house" to prevent harassment of exposed family... It's starting to seem crazy that anyone would actually voluntarily turn to authorities in these situations, especially if life expectancy is not markedly improved by doing so.

Dangerous precedents.
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Totally agreed. Reactions like we've seen so far -- from bumbling logistics for quarantine, to bringing up potential prosecution of Mr. Duncan (which is now moot, RIP), and now to this -- so far have been _deterrents_ to people quickly identifying themselves to authorities. These are terrible ways to deal with a disease that can only be controlled through early identification and isolation.

This requires public participation, and that requires trust and faith that involved authorities will be competent and compassionate. They're destroying that with every heavy-handed or incompetent reaction.
 
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With respect to Chicagogal's post above and to quote Blacknail on another thread, and although perhaps one should better discuss the deeper issues raised on some other thread than this one.... but there's so much going on, anyway here's my shot at this before bedtime :)

blacknail said:
There is a clear pattern emerging here that the patients themselves are being blamed for spreading the disease outside of Africa. The Texas patient was accused of "lying on the form" about the contact with the pregnant Ebola case, even though all pregnant women are turned away from hospitals these days in Liberia and he was likely told that there was no way she could have Ebola. Now we have this case where some doctor is saying that she "could" have made errors in removing her PPE. This shouldn't be possible, someone should have been watching her de-gown and there really should be video of the process so that we can know for sure. In both cases the patients were turned away from the hospital because the spin on this is complacency. Complacency is the enemy and public officials seem to be propagating it in order to prevent panic but there are real risks and these types of cases are going to keep occurring as long as we have raging outbreaks in West Africa. This is not the patient's fault but human nature.
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They're now saying the Spanish nurse assistant lied to her general practitioner about her temperature readings and not saying she was one of whom cared for the 2 dead missionaries.

It's the "blame the victim" game. Like, if you make the mistake of wearing a short skirt, you called rape onto yourself.

Unfortunately, I think the politicians have not yet measured the changes in Spanish society, culture and thinking, for one since Franco, and for two since the recession in 2008 (which still going on now).

The people are tired of corruption, cronyism, poverty, and all the ills they have suffered in the last few years. They are also more educated now and more interconnected. And they demonstrate to show their anger. Violently if need be.

Spain is a country where it wouldn't need that much to precipitate it in some sort of difficult to handle social disorder. The irresponsible way in which the Spanish authorities are dealing with the health of the Spaniards right now may well be, in my opinion, one of the drops that gets the vase to overflow.
 
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Last night #SalvemosaExcalibur was the most active trending topic on Twitter in Spain with 80 tweets per minute per http://trendoa.com/spain. There were many good people, an international group but mainly from Spain and other countries in Europe, doing their best to save the life of Excalibur and the hearts of the nurse and her husband. Also over 300,000 people signed the petition, but Spain's government was deaf. I've read that corporations are much more responsive to social media campaigns, but I was still surprised and disgusted at the outcome in this case.

Also you can see in the videos below that crowds showed up to try to stop the killers from taking the dog from the apartment and at least one of Excalibur's defenders was injured badly enough to require medical attention.

The people of Spain deserve better than this!


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Published on Oct 8, 2014

Spanish officials determined to contain the spread of Ebola have killed the pet dog belonging to a nurse infected with the deadly virus.

When a group of men wearing white protective suits showed up outside the nurse and her husband's home, animal rights activists chanted: "Murderers! Killers!"

The nurse's husband, who has also been quarantined, recorded a video appeal.
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Published on Oct 8, 2014

Video ID: 20141008-053

W/S Two girls waiting with their dog, holding placard reading (English): "Excalibur. The World Is With You"
W/S Police standing guard
W/S Activists lying down on street
W/S Ambulance
W/S Scuffles
W/S Injured person on ground
M/S Protesters screaming at police
M/S Medics take wounded person to ambulance
SOT, animal rights activist, (Spanish): "He should also be quarantined because animals have the same rights or should have the same rights as people."
W/S Police patrolling road
W/S People and journalist waiting
M/S Man waiting for Excalibur with his dog
M/S Lawyer speaking to press
W/S Vet's car driving away
M/S Women holding hands

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Animal rights activists protested the killing of Spanish Ebola victim Teresa Romero Ramos' dog Excalibur in Madrid on Wednesday. Protesters gathered outside of Ramos' home where the animal was put to death.

Small scuffles broke out between protesters and the police who were patrolling the area. One person was wounded and taken to hospital.
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