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When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I think thats going a bit far into tinfoil land. Without data, one is free to imagine all sorts of nefarious phenomena. Its an open vista bounded by no restraint. Might it not better serve the community here to stick to the knowns?
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I think thats going a bit far into tinfoil land. Without data, one is free to imagine all sorts of nefarious phenomena. Its an open vista bounded by no restraint. Might it not better serve the community here to stick to the knowns?

Then, where are the announcements, to calm the public at this critical time, that the Troh family is well, and that they express their sympathy to the infected worker? I find their disappearance nefarious, frankly, and theirs not a tinfoil imaginary disappearance, it's real.

My tinfoil hat is very tight right now. Perhaps it's because I LIVE in North Dallas, so this situation is more than theoretical to me. Getting to the knowns requires truth.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Then, where are the announcements, to calm the public at this critical time, that the Troh family is well, and that they express their sympathy to the infected worker? I find their disappearance nefarious, frankly, and theirs not a tinfoil imaginary disappearance, it's real.

My tinfoil hat is very tight right now. Perhaps it's because I LIVE in North Dallas, so this situation is more than theoretical to me. Getting to the knowns requires truth.

Judge Jenkins said today that none of the 48 people who are contacts of Mr. Duncan have any ebola symptoms - as of this date:

FluTrackers.com @FluTrackers · 12m 12 minutes ago
Jenkins: 48 in Duncan monitoring pool remain asymptomatic at this time. #ebola

This includes his family.

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=551084&posted=1#post551084
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Let's try to avoid using words that demean people with mental illness and use words that accurately reflect reality.

"I'm worried." vs "My tin-foil hat is on tight."

"I don't agree and this is why..." vs "That is paranoid."

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=551048

To respond to Lynda's concerns: I don't think any patients are being hidden in Texas. I think what we are seeing perhaps is that blood of an ill ebola patient is very dangerous.

It is a bitter disappointment that another health care worker is infected.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I don't think officials are hiding patients, but the persons involved have a right to their privacy under HIPAA. If this is incorrect, why?
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Let's try to avoid using words that demean people with mental illness and use words that accurately reflect reality.

"I'm worried." vs "My tin-foil hat is on tight."

I was simply mirroring her own language

I don't think of conspiracy theorists as the clinically insane nor do I imply this.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I guess I think of tinfoil as a way to say speculative, leaning toward conspiracy theory, not mentally ill. But I will refrain from using potentially objectionable terms, now that I am aware they may be taken so.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I certainly agree that the word "paranoid" could have mental health connotations, but "tinfoil"? Seriously?

Every board has it's tone. This tone is perhaps not for me.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Anxiety is very damaging to a person's emotional and psychological resilience in times of disaster/illness/great stress.

Anxiety is very easy to induce in others (verbally or by physical cues).

I completely understand people feeling anxious if they live in a region that has had ebola in the news - but much of that anxiety is stemming not from ignorance so much as anxiety triggering "reporting" done by the local and national media.

For Lynda - and anyone feeling "too close to this" - I recommend turning off the TV first. You can get more than you need here.

Second, once that TV is off (with its 24/7 OJ-like breathless coverage of every tiny morsel of minutia) sit down and do a risk analysis of your situation.

I used to live in Texas, still have family there. I know its HUGE. North Texas is a huge region.

How close are you to the hospital and surrounding neighborhood? 10 miles? 15? 40? 100? Do you work there? Relatives who do? Do you have kids in those schools? Relatives who work there? Shop in the area? etc etc? this will help make concrete the physical separation between you and ebola.

If anything feels too "close" then curtail that aspect as much as you need to to feel like you have done what you can.

Then release the free-floating anxiety that this incident has likely caused in so many people. It doesn't help you or anyone and it causes you to tax your adrenals to the max and that may well result in a degraded health status.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I think we are all on edge. I know I am. It is very disappointing that a health care worker from a leading regional health care facility has tested positive for ebola. I know all of us at FluTrackers wish her and her near ones the very best.

We have tried to create a "safe" emotional place on the internet here. We have never allowed "bashing" and in the spirit of inclusiveness and kindness it is better to be gentle in our wording.

If people are not comfortable with this approach then there are many other places to converse on the internet. I do not see our long standing culture changing. Simply, we like it this way. No yelling, no "bashing", respectful conversation only - even in disagreements. It is easier to conduct a search for the truth.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

As long as we are being politically correct, we shouldn't be referring to paramedic's as ambulance drivers. A degree in paramedicine is more credit hours than it takes to become an RN. In the medical world this is like referring to a nurse as a bedpan changer.

I know that most people don't realize this, and meant no harm, so I'm passing this along for educational purposes only. If we want to attract these people to participate at the site, we should try to be cognizant of that.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

As long as we are being politically correct, we shouldn't be referring to paramedic's as ambulance drivers. A degree in paramedicine is a more credit hours than it takes to become an RN. In the medical world this is like referring to a nurse as a bedpan changer.

I know that most people don't realize this, and meant no harm, so I'm passing this along for educational purposes only. If we want to attract these people to participate at the site, we should try to be cognizant of that.

So true!

My partner is a 911 dispatcher, and people don't realize how traumatizing that job is. Anyone involved in first response sees and deals with more than we realize.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I think people need to close ranks agaisnt a common enemy instead of all bickering like hell (not meaning anybody in here, just in general).
I would like to see though, a statement offering compassion from Mr Duncan's family to the nurse. Nothing the hell to do with race colour religion or anything apart from empathy, grace and good manners. :)
I wonder if the wee villages here acted like this when the Black Death came - or they all worked together for a common cause.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

To feel that the family of Mr. Duncan "owes" some sort of consiliatory comment to the infected nurse signals a problem to me.

Duncan did not get infected on purpose nor did he direct the virus consuming his body to infect anyone else.

Ebola is a giant phantasmagorical media circus (especially on the red end of the media spectrum) - it is no wonder that Duncan's relatives are laying low. Im glad that they have enough awareness of the racial/sociological dynamics of this country to know to keep a low profile. If we hear of their complaints remember we EACH have the same right to complain. Do we begrudge them the right because ---- why? Think on why.

Im sure they feel terrible and they may very well have stated it many times but that isn't as attractive to the media so that likely gets edited out "for time". Lets give them some credit for being human - like the rest of us.
 
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Was just human compassion Niki, I know I would want to let her family know I was grateful for her help to my loved one. I know he didn't get it on purpose, in fact he got it while trying to help somebody who had it. All the people who are trying to help are the ones getting it and that is what makes it more terrible I think. We need to get smart and face this together, all of us.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

As long as we are being politically correct, we shouldn't be referring to paramedic's as ambulance drivers. A degree in paramedicine is more credit hours than it takes to become an RN. In the medical world this is like referring to a nurse as a bedpan changer.

I know that most people don't realize this, and meant no harm, so I'm passing this along for educational purposes only. If we want to attract these people to participate at the site, we should try to be cognizant of that.
Amen. But I truly think most people don't realize that all members of an ambulance crew are similarly trained, especially in rural areas. I started in EMS back when the "ambulance" was the local funeral home hearse, and the people who responded to emergency calls had no training whatsoever. They were there solely to transport. With that as the background, it's no wonder some folk assume that the ambulance driver is just a driver.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I certainly agree that the word "paranoid" could have mental health connotations, but "tinfoil"? Seriously?

Every board has it's tone. This tone is perhaps not for me.

Yes, I was serious. The connection is real and the mockery by journalists and social media users causes pain:

http://forum.schizophrenia.com/t/did-you-ever-wear-a-tin-foil-hat/1551

I'm not criticizing you personally and I take your postings seriously.

I don't think officials are hiding patients, but the persons involved have a right to their privacy under HIPAA. If this is incorrect, why?

I'm not a lawyer, but my impression is that HIPPA would prevent patients from being named, not cases being reported to the press. I'm assuming the press is asking.

Would the government lie or hide things? Well this article was one of many that I found when I was looking for examples of 'tinfoil hat' associated with mental illness:

http://object.cato.org/publications/commentary/government-secrets-can-be-pretty-killer

But in this case I don't see any gain for local or federal governments to not disclose that there are other ebola patients in TX. They would have too much too lose in credibility vs any possible gain.

That is just my opinion.
 
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............ I started in EMS back when the "ambulance" was the local funeral home hearse, and the people who responded to emergency calls had no training whatsoever. They were there solely to transport. With that as the background, it's no wonder some folk assume that the ambulance driver is just a driver.

Skills vary widely. Sometimes the driver is still only a driver, or an EMT I. Sometimes they still don't have nearly as much training as urban crews. Also EMTs in urban areas use their training more frequently than some rural areas so their training becomes a well-honed skill.

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Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

Skills vary widely. Sometimes the driver is still only a driver, or an EMT I. Sometimes they still don't have nearly as much training as urban crews. Also EMTs in urban areas use their training more frequently than some rural areas so their training becomes a well-honed skill.

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I agree that urban crews have a lot more practice than rural ones. On the other hand, my station in a large metropolitan area of Virginia got a severe (and well deserved) talking-to from a new member who had moved there from near where I live now (boonies of southwest Virginia). He was appalled that we weren't constantly checking vital signs. We had gotten sloppy, because we were seldom more than five minutes from the nearest hospital. He pointed out that where he ran rescue, it could easily be 45 minutes to an hour to the nearest ER, and that not all of them were staffed 24/7. A patient's life was dependent on the skill and attention of the ambulance crew for far longer than in an urban environment, and they knew they had to keep those skills current.

Regarding the difference in skills between crew members, I'm familiar with only one urban and two rural systems, but in all of those, the least trained person was also the least likely to be driving. He or she was in the back with whoever was in charge on that call, so they could be further trained. Perhaps some places just don't have enough people to make that possible, but I never went out with fewer than a three-person crew.
 
Re: When will we see secondary Ebola transmissions in Dallas?

I agree that urban crews have a lot more practice than rural ones. On the other hand, my station in a large metropolitan area of Virginia got a severe (and well deserved) talking-to from a new member who had moved there from near where I live now (boonies of southwest Virginia). He was appalled that we weren't constantly checking vital signs. We had gotten sloppy, because we were seldom more than five minutes from the nearest hospital. He pointed out that where he ran rescue, it could easily be 45 minutes to an hour to the nearest ER, and that not all of them were staffed 24/7. A patient's life was dependent on the skill and attention of the ambulance crew for far longer than in an urban environment, and they knew they had to keep those skills current.

Regarding the difference in skills between crew members, I'm familiar with only one urban and two rural systems, but in all of those, the least trained person was also the least likely to be driving. He or she was in the back with whoever was in charge on that call, so they could be further trained. Perhaps some places just don't have enough people to make that possible, but I never went out with fewer than a three-person crew.


Here, we're about 45-60 miniutes from the nearest hospital (longer when roads are snow/ice covered). Sometimes it's difficult to get the 3 persons to roll the ambulance, so there are delays. Certain conditions require that a senior EMT be onboard which can further delay the run. Then add the factor of senior EMTs retiring! Anyone traveling to rural areas should never assume they'll get a prompt highly trained ambulance crew.

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